Monday, August 22, 2016

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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Aug 21 06:46PM -0500

These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2016-06-27,
and should be interpreted accordingly.
 
On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup,
based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
the correct answers in about 2 or 3 weeks.
 
All questions were written by members of the Usual Suspects and
are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may
have been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information
see my 2016-05-31 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
Inquisition (QFTCI*)".
 
 
I did not write either of these rounds.
 
 
* Game 6, Round 4 - Literature - Love Laments
 
As the song says, "When love goes wrong, nothing goes right."
Here are some sad examples of just how often that happens.
 
For the first few questions we'll give you a few poetic lines --
though we won't necessarily recite them soulfully -- and then,
in each case, we'll bring you back to earth.
 
1. O what can ail thee, knight-at-arms
Alone and palely loitering?
 
What does ail him, or rather *who*, according to John Keats?
The title of the poem gives your answer.
 
 
2. I could not love thee, Dear, so much,
Loved I not Honour more.
 
Despite those fine words, Richard Lovelace is still leaving
Lucasta. *Why*? Again the answer is in the title of the poem,
but this time we'll accept a paraphrase.
 
 
3. When lovely woman stoops to folly
And finds too late that men betray, --
What charm can soothe her melancholy,
What art can wash her guilt away?
 
What's the solution to this quandary, in the opinion of the
poet, Oliver Goldsmith? This time the answer is in the poem's
last line, and we wouldn't actually recommend it as a course
of action.
 
 
4. In the merry month of May,
The green buds were a-swelling.
Sweet William on his deathbed lay
For love of...
 
But when the hardhearted heroine of this ballad came to his
bedside, all she said to the man who loved her was: "Young man,
I think you're dying". Name her.
 
 
Okay, that's enough poetic readings.
 
5. "And all men kill the thing they love" is a dire warning from
which writer, best known as a playwright?
 
6. Married to a doctor who doesn't fulfill her dreams of romance
and luxury, abandoned by her lover, our heroine takes arsenic.
Which protagonist of an 1856 novel are we talking about?
 
7. Our hero thinks he's got it made when he attracts the attention
of a girl who's both beautiful and wealthy. Life would be great
if only the other girl, who he's seduced and impregnated, wasn't
poor and didn't insist on marrying him. Do you seriously think
this is going to end well, especially when they go out in a canoe
on a secluded part of the lake? No, that's not your question.
On film it became "A Place in the Sun", but your question is,
what was the title of the original 1925 novel?
 
8. She married the local football star, but he ignores her and
drinks far too much. And he seems way too upset by Skipper's
death. After all, a mere friend isn't as important as a wife,
is he? Name this play from 1955, in which love goes wrong for
pretty much everybody.
 
9. Heartbreak is painful but it does make good material for actors.
Christopher Plummer won a Tony, and José Ferrer won an Oscar,
each for portraying which hero, originally of an 1897 play of
the same name, who reveals his love only as he is dying?
 
10. Lily Bart is a penniless orphan who needs to marry someone
with money. Unfortunately, she can't bring herself to do it,
maybe because she's in love with a poor man. An overdose
of laudanum ensues. Agent Scully played the doomed heroine
on the big screen in 2000, and a fine performance it was.
Name the novel, written in 1905.
 
 
* Game 6, Round 6 - Sports - Mountaineering
 
This round is about technical terms in mountaineering, as well as
the history of the sport.
 
1. What English synonym for mountaineering has cognates in French
and Spanish and reflects the sport's long history on the
European continent?
 
2. A prusik ["PRUSS-ik"; spell it] is a type of what? Supposedly
it was invented around 1931 by an Austrian mountaineer of the
same name.
 
3. What is the name for a metal loop with a spring-loaded "gate",
used for connecting and disconnecting mountaineering equipment?
It is also widely used in other situations, with larger-sized
types used even to connect hot-air balloons to the basket.
 
4. What is the term in mountaineering (and also in related
activities such as caving and canyoning) for descending a
vertical drop by using a rope, often with other equipment such
as a harness and a device to play out the rope?
 
5. What technique or action is involved in a glissade ["gliss-AD"
or "gliss-AID"]?
 
6. What is the metal spike driven into a crack or seam in rocks
so that it can act as an anchor?
 
7. Give either of the two terms for loose, broken rock at the
bottoms of cliffs, volcanoes, and valleys. Which term applies
in a given situation depends on the size of the rock.
 
8. Name *either one* of the two British climbers who died on an
ascent of Mt. Everest in June 1924. They are known to have come
within 800 feet of the summit, leading to ongoing speculation
about whether they got there. One of their bodies was found
in 1999.
 
9. Within one year, in what year did Tenzing Norgay and Edmund
Hillary make the first recorded ascent to the summit of Everest?
 
10. Who was the Civil War general, unsuccessful presidential
candidate, and explorer who in 1842 climbed a Wyoming peak
that was later named after him? It is not, as was thought
at the time, the tallest mountain in the Rockies, but it is
13,745 feet or almost 4,200 m high.
 
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tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Aug 22 12:17AM

> Alone and palely loitering?
 
> What does ail him, or rather *who*, according to John Keats?
> The title of the poem gives your answer.
 
La Belle Dame Sans Merci
 
 
> But when the hardhearted heroine of this ballad came to his
> bedside, all she said to the man who loved her was: "Young man,
> I think you're dying". Name her.
 
Barbara Allen
 
> 5. "And all men kill the thing they love" is a dire warning from
> which writer, best known as a playwright?
 
Shakespeare; Marlowe
 
> 6. Married to a doctor who doesn't fulfill her dreams of romance
> and luxury, abandoned by her lover, our heroine takes arsenic.
> Which protagonist of an 1856 novel are we talking about?
 
Madame Bovary
 
> death. After all, a mere friend isn't as important as a wife,
> is he? Name this play from 1955, in which love goes wrong for
> pretty much everybody.
 
A Streetcar Named Desire
 
> Christopher Plummer won a Tony, and Jos? Ferrer won an Oscar,
> each for portraying which hero, originally of an 1897 play of
> the same name, who reveals his love only as he is dying?
 
Cyrano de Bergerac
 
 
> 2. A prusik ["PRUSS-ik"; spell it] is a type of what? Supposedly
> it was invented around 1931 by an Austrian mountaineer of the
> same name.
 
boot; hammer
 
> used for connecting and disconnecting mountaineering equipment?
> It is also widely used in other situations, with larger-sized
> types used even to connect hot-air balloons to the basket.
 
carabinier
 
> activities such as caving and canyoning) for descending a
> vertical drop by using a rope, often with other equipment such
> as a harness and a device to play out the rope?
 
absailing
 
> 6. What is the metal spike driven into a crack or seam in rocks
> so that it can act as an anchor?
 
piton
 
> 7. Give either of the two terms for loose, broken rock at the
> bottoms of cliffs, volcanoes, and valleys. Which term applies
> in a given situation depends on the size of the rock.
 
scree
 
> 9. Within one year, in what year did Tenzing Norgay and Edmund
> Hillary make the first recorded ascent to the summit of Everest?
 
1953
 
> that was later named after him? It is not, as was thought
> at the time, the tallest mountain in the Rockies, but it is
> 13,745 feet or almost 4,200 m high.
 
Fremont
 
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
Joshua Kreitzer <gromit82@hotmail.com>: Aug 22 12:30AM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:cP2dnTMoB_nGoCfKnZ2dnUU7-
> Alone and palely loitering?
 
> What does ail him, or rather *who*, according to John Keats?
> The title of the poem gives your answer.
 
La Belle Dame Sans Merci

> on a secluded part of the lake? No, that's not your question.
> On film it became "A Place in the Sun", but your question is,
> what was the title of the original 1925 novel?
 
"An American Tragedy"
 
> death. After all, a mere friend isn't as important as a wife,
> is he? Name this play from 1955, in which love goes wrong for
> pretty much everybody.
 
"Cat on a Hot Tin Roof"

> Christopher Plummer won a Tony, and José Ferrer won an Oscar,
> each for portraying which hero, originally of an 1897 play of
> the same name, who reveals his love only as he is dying?
 
Cyrano de Bergerac

 
> 1. What English synonym for mountaineering has cognates in French
> and Spanish and reflects the sport's long history on the
> European continent?
 
alpinism
 
> 6. What is the metal spike driven into a crack or seam in rocks
> so that it can act as an anchor?
 
piton
 
> within 800 feet of the summit, leading to ongoing speculation
> about whether they got there. One of their bodies was found
> in 1999.
 
Mallory

> 9. Within one year, in what year did Tenzing Norgay and Edmund
> Hillary make the first recorded ascent to the summit of Everest?
 
1952
 
> that was later named after him? It is not, as was thought
> at the time, the tallest mountain in the Rockies, but it is
> 13,745 feet or almost 4,200 m high.
 
Fremont
 
--
Joshua Kreitzer
gromit82@hotmail.com
Marc Dashevsky <usenet@MarcDashevsky.com>: Aug 22 01:44AM -0500

In article <cP2dnTMoB_nGoCfKnZ2dnUU7-IfNnZ2d@giganews.com>, msb@vex.net says...
 
> 6. Married to a doctor who doesn't fulfill her dreams of romance
> and luxury, abandoned by her lover, our heroine takes arsenic.
> Which protagonist of an 1856 novel are we talking about?
Madame Bovary
 
> Christopher Plummer won a Tony, and José Ferrer won an Oscar,
> each for portraying which hero, originally of an 1897 play of
> the same name, who reveals his love only as he is dying?
Cyrano de Bergerac
 
 
> 1. What English synonym for mountaineering has cognates in French
> and Spanish and reflects the sport's long history on the
> European continent?
Alpinism
 
> activities such as caving and canyoning) for descending a
> vertical drop by using a rope, often with other equipment such
> as a harness and a device to play out the rope?
rappel
 
> or "gliss-AID"]?
 
> 6. What is the metal spike driven into a crack or seam in rocks
> so that it can act as an anchor?
piton
 
> 7. Give either of the two terms for loose, broken rock at the
> bottoms of cliffs, volcanoes, and valleys. Which term applies
> in a given situation depends on the size of the rock.
scree
 
> in 1999.
 
> 9. Within one year, in what year did Tenzing Norgay and Edmund
> Hillary make the first recorded ascent to the summit of Everest?
1953
 
 
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Calvin <334152@gmail.com>: Aug 21 11:13PM -0700

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 5:44:17 PM UTC+10, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> > Erland S
 
> Nope, I did not get this one right. I let me by lured by you parenthentical
> remark and answered Kazakhstan.
 
Noted thanks. Revised scores are:
 
Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q5 Q6 Q7 Q8 Q9 Q10 TOTAL TB Quiz 452
1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 8 44 Gareth Owen
1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 7 41 Mark Brader
1 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 7 44 Joe
1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 6 34 Peter Smyth
1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 6 39 Marc Dashevsky
1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 6 38 Pete Gayde
1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 6 39 Chris Johnson
1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 4 28 Erland S
1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 3 22 Dan Tilque
- - - - - - - - - - --- ----------
9 4 4 6 5 1 8 4 7 5 53 59%
 
 
cheers,
calvin
Pete <pagrsg@wowway.com>: Aug 21 05:21PM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:5Y-dnUEm64nIsyvKnZ2dnUU7-
> forth on an open flat-car while other musicians stood beside
> the tracks. Either tell whose "effect" was confirmed, or
> describe it.
 
Doppler
 
> use a large pendulum to provide this proof?
 
> 5. In 1668 in Florence, Italy, Francesco Redi allowed meat to rot
> in a jar whose mouth was covered with a layer of gauze. Why?
 
To prove that maggots were not created from rotting meat
 
> the Leaning Tower of Pisa and dropped two balls to the ground.
> Whether he did it or not, what would this demonstration have
> proved?
 
That two objects of different mass would accelerate at the same rate.
 
> never happens in Alexandria. Based on the distance between
> the two places and some measurements he could make himself,
> what did he calculate?
 
Distance from the earth to the sun
 
> hemisphere, they did not have the strength to pull them apart;
> but then he operated a control and the hemispheres fell apart
> on their own. What had kept them together?
 
Vacuum
 
> were measuring how learning was affected by punishment, using
> a graded sequence of increasingly powerful electric shocks.
> What was Milgram actually trying to measure?
 
How likely subjects were to deliver shocks to other subjects.
 
> The other is a man, a crooner who lived 1912-2001. His last
> #1 song was in 1958, the year the Grammy awards started, and
> it did win one.
 
Katy Perry Como
 
> and has even won multiple Grammys in the same year, such as
> in 2009. And between them, for one week in the middle of 2015
> they had the #1 and #2 albums on the Billboard 200 chart.
 
James Taylor Swift
 
> career began in 1960; he became the first player on his team to
> have his number retired. The second began his career in 1970,
> the same year his team joined the NHL.
 
Rod Gilbert Perreault
 
> history. The second one played for 25 years with 9 different
> teams, and the Blue Jays are one of the teams he won a World
> Series with.
 
Branch Rickey Henderson
 
> is American and his nomination was for "Sideways", released
> in 2004. And they both go by three names, so your answer on
> this one will be 5 words long.
 
Pete Gayde
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Aug 21 06:44PM -0500

Mark Brader:
> and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
> see my 2016-05-31 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI*)".
 
Due to travel, there will be a hiatus following the posting of
the next set.
 
 
> * Game 6, Round 2 - Science - Famous Experiments
 
For each question, ANY ONE of the words or phrase emphasized
*this way* in the answer shown -- or equivalent wording -- was
sufficient for your answer to be accepted.
 
> forth on an open flat-car while other musicians stood beside
> the tracks. Either tell whose "effect" was confirmed, or
> describe it.
 
The *Doppler* effect, named for Christian Doppler: the *sound changed
in pitch* according to the velocity of the train. 4 for Dan Blum,
Joshua, Calvin, Dan Tilque, Stephen, Björn, Bruce, Peter, Erland,
Marc, and Pete.
 
> or even backwards. Rutherford said it was "as if you fired a
> 15-inch shell at a piece of tissue paper and it came back and
> hit you" -- and he drew what historic conclusion?
 
That *most of an atom's mass is in a small part* with a positive
charge, i.e. that atoms *have a nucleus*. 4 for Dan Blum, Calvin,
Dan Tilque, Stephen, Peter, Erland, and Marc.
 
The students were Hans Geiger and Ernest Marsden. Geiger would
later invent the Geiger counter.
 
> color to the light -- until an experiment in about 1666 by Isaac
> Newton in Woolsthorpe, England. How did he use a second prism
> to settle this question?
 
He turned it to *face the other way* -- and instead of adding more
color, it *recombined the colors* to produce colorless white light.
4 for Dan Blum, Calvin, Dan Tilque, Stephen, Bruce, Peter, Erland,
and Marc.
 
> but there was no easy way to prove it until Léon Foucault's
> ["foo-KOH's"] simple experiment in 1851 in Paris. How did he
> use a large pendulum to provide this proof?
 
He suspended it so it would be free to swing in any direction, and
as the hours passed, it seemed to *swing in a different direction*
due to the Earth turning under it. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Calvin,
Dan Tilque, Stephen, Björn, Bruce, Peter, and Marc.
 
> 5. In 1668 in Florence, Italy, Francesco Redi allowed meat to rot
> in a jar whose mouth was covered with a layer of gauze. Why?
 
To prove that rotting meat *did not spontaneously generate vermin*
such as maggots. (The gauze kept flies from laying eggs on the meat.)
4 for Dan Tilque, Stephen, Bruce, Peter, Marc, and Pete.
 
> the Leaning Tower of Pisa and dropped two balls to the ground.
> Whether he did it or not, what would this demonstration have
> proved?
 
That a lightweight ball would *fall just as fast* as a heavy one
(contrary to Aristotle's writings). 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Calvin,
Dan Tilque, Stephen, Björn, Bruce, Erland, Marc, and Pete.
 
> around its center, and he measured how much. Either name the
> specific thing that he was trying to find out, or give the
> picturesque three-word title he gave to his experiment.
 
He was measuring the *gravitational force (attraction)* between the
different weights. From this he could compute the *gravitational
constant* in Newton's equations, and in turn, both the *density of
the Earth* and finally the total *mass of the Earth*. So he called
the experiment *"Weighing the Earth"*. 4 for Dan Blum, Calvin,
Dan Tilque, Stephen, Björn, and Bruce.
 
> never happens in Alexandria. Based on the distance between
> the two places and some measurements he could make himself,
> what did he calculate?
 
The *circumference of the Earth* (also accepting its diameter,
or radius, or just its size). 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Dan Tilque,
Stephen, Björn, Bruce, Peter, Erland, and Marc. 3 for Calvin.
 
> hemisphere, they did not have the strength to pull them apart;
> but then he operated a control and the hemispheres fell apart
> on their own. What had kept them together?
 
*Air pressure*: he had *pumped the air out* from the sphere, creating
a near *vacuum* inside. 4 for Dan Blum, Calvin, Dan Tilque, Stephen,
Björn, Bruce, Peter, Erland, Marc, and Pete.
 
> were measuring how learning was affected by punishment, using
> a graded sequence of increasingly powerful electric shocks.
> What was Milgram actually trying to measure?
 
Their *obedience* to authority. (I did not accept answers that only
referred to the shock level they supposedly administered, although
of course that's what was actually tabulated.) 4 for Dan Blum,
Joshua, Calvin, Dan Tilque, Stephen, Bruce, Peter, Erland, and Marc.
 
Subjects were placed alone in a room with the experimenter and a
fake control panel with labels like "danger: severe shock", and
beyond that, "XXX". Through a window they saw the man supposedly
being shocked. As the experiment progressed, he he had a heart
condition, begged to be released, and finally appeared to collapse.
Given instructions like "the experiment requires that you continue,
it is absolutely essential", 26 out of 40 subjects, even while
feeling very concerned about the man, still went on to administer
the 30th and highest shock level.
 
 
> into the chamber with a microscope and adjusted the electrical
> voltage on a pair of metal plates until some of the drops
> stopped moving. What was he measuring?
 
The electric *charge on one electron*. Dan Tilque, Stephen, and Marc
got this.
 
The setup would charge each drop so slightly that he could
identify drops as missing just 1 electron, 2 electrons, etc.,
with all the charges a multiple of the same base amount.
 
> 12. In Cavendish's experiment in question 7, the rod only rotated
> by a tiny amount, so how did he amplify the motion so he could
> measure it accurately?
 
He fixed a mirror to the rod and reflected a beam of light off it.
Nobody got this.
 
 
> So, these two men -- one each from the two major parties --
> were prime ministers of Canada in the 19th century. They each
> were in office only once, 16 years apart.
 
Alexander Mackenzie Bowell. (1873-78, 1894-96.) 4 for Stephen.
 
And we promise no more Alexander Mackenzie questions this season.
 
> were both prime ministers of Canada after Pierre Trudeau retired.
> They were in office 10 years apart. Hint: this time there is
> a trick to the question.
 
Paul (Edgar Philippe) Martin (Brian) Mulroney. (2003-06,
1984-93.) Mulroney goes by his middle name.
 
> The other is a man, a crooner who lived 1912-2001. His last
> #1 song was in 1958, the year the Grammy awards started, and
> it did win one.
 
Katy Perry Como. ("I Kissed a Girl", "Catch A Falling Star".)
4 for Dan Blum, Jason, Joshua, Calvin, Stephen, Peter, Marc, and Pete.
 
> and has even won multiple Grammys in the same year, such as
> in 2009. And between them, for one week in the middle of 2015
> they had the #1 and #2 albums on the Billboard 200 chart.
 
James Taylor Swift. ("Before This World", "1989".) 4 for Dan Blum,
Joshua, Calvin, Stephen, Marc, and Pete.
 
> career began in 1960; he became the first player on his team to
> have his number retired. The second began his career in 1970,
> the same year his team joined the NHL.
 
Rod Gilbert ["zheel-BEAR"] Perreault. (New York Rangers, Buffalo
Sabres.) 4 for Stephen and Pete.
 
> history. The second one played for 25 years with 9 different
> teams, and the Blue Jays are one of the teams he won a World
> Series with.
 
Branch Rickey Henderson. (Branch Rickey was the man who "broke the
color bar" by hiring Jackie Robinson) 4 for Jason, Joshua, Stephen,
Marc, and Pete.
 
> The second, a modernist, was born in Dublin in 1882, moved to
> Zurich in 1904, and died there in 1941. They both wrote in
> English, or at least in something like English.
 
Henry James Joyce. 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, Calvin, Dan Tilque,
Stephen, Peter, and Marc.
 
> in 1878 and died in 1968. The second was born in Sauk Center,
> Minnesota, in 1885; in 1930 he won the Nobel Prize for
> Literature; and he died in 1951.
 
Upton Sinclair Lewis. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Stephen, and Marc.
 
> won an Oscar for her supporting role in "Key Largo". The second,
> a man, was British and lived 1913-88; he never won an Oscar,
> but was nominated for "Sons and Lovers".
 
Claire Trevor Howard. 4 for Joshua and Stephen.
 
> is American and his nomination was for "Sideways", released
> in 2004. And they both go by three names, so your answer on
> this one will be 5 words long.
 
Kristin Scott Thomas Haden Church. (She was nominated for "The
English Patient".) 4 for Dan Blum, Joshua, and Stephen.
 
 
Scores, if there are no errors:
 
GAME 6 ROUNDS-> 2 3 TOTALS
TOPICS-> Sci Mis
Stephen Perry 40 36 76
Marc Dashevsky 36 20 56
Dan Blum 36 16 52
Dan Tilque 40 8 48
Joshua Kreitzer 20 28 48
"Calvin" 35 12 47
Peter Smyth 32 8 40
Bruce Bowler 36 0 36
Pete Gayde 16 16 32
Erland Sommarskog 28 0 28
Björn Lundin 24 0 24
Jason Kreitzer 0 8 8
 
--
Mark Brader, Short words good; sesquipedalian verbalizations undesirable
Toronto, msb@vex.net -- after George Orwell
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Pete <pagrsg@wowway.com>: Aug 21 05:27PM

Calvin <334152@gmail.com> wrote in
 
> 1 Despite being only 26.6 seconds in length it is probably the
> most scrutinised piece of film of all time. What did Abraham Zapruder
> famously record?
 
Assassination of John Kennedy
 
> 2 Which (fictional) race of extra-terrestrial
> mutants hails from the planet Skaro?
 
Daleks
 
> 3 Which 1983 musical romantic
> comedy did Barbra Streisand direct, co-write, co- produce and star in?
 
Yentl
 
> 4 Marlee Matlin won a best actress Oscar for her role in which
> 1986 film?
 
Children of a Lesser God
 
> 5 Which American newspaper is sometimes known as the
> "old gray lady"?
 
New York Times
 
> 6 In what modern day country is Mount Ararat located?
 
Turkey
 
> 7 Which mathematical symbol was invented by Robert Record
> in the mid-16th century?
 
Infinity
 
> 8 Which six-letter word can mean a cross
> between a beagle and a pug, or a baby echidna or platypus?
> 9 A hoplite was a soldier in which ancient civilisation?
 
Persia
 
> 10 What is
> the three-word title of the 1957 book by Vance Packard which
> demystified the deliberately mysterious arts of advertising?
 
The Peter Principle
 
 
> cheers,
> calvin
 
Pete Gayde
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