| Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 02 02:36PM +0200 This quiz is over and it is a joint victory for Mark Brader and Stephen W Perry, congratulations! (There is however, one semi-open issue which may change this, but we'll see.) I am happy to see that the quiz attracted eight entrants which is quite good these days. Here is the scoreboard: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Total Mark B 1 - 1 1 - 1 1 1 - 1 1 1 9 swp 1 1 1 1 - - 1 1 1 1 1 - 9 Calvin 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 1 1 - 7 Dan T 1 - - 1 1 - 1 - - 1 1 1 7 Dan B 1 1 1 1 - - 1 - - 1 - - 6 Bruce B - - - - 1 - 1 1 1 1 - - 5 Joshua K 1 - - 1 - - 1 - - 1 - - 4 Pete G - - 1 1 - 1 - - - 1 - - 4 Below are the answers. For each question I first give the answer I had intended and in some cases with comments to my own answer. Then follows remarks on alternate answers with motivations, and my explanation why or why not I did not accept that answer. Keep in mind that if you gave an answer different from the intended one you had to give a motivation for it to be considered. It does not help you, if someone else gave a motivation for your answer, even if you had the same reason in mind. > 1. Math. > 1998, 306, 625, 729, 81. 625 - the only number not divisble by 9. > 2. Music: > Ronnie James Dio, Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes, Ozzy Osbourne, > Robert Plant, Robert Plant - all the others have been lead singers of Black Sabbath on at least one album. Wikipedia suggests, though, that Plant was on the shortlist after the departure of Dio, but Ian Gillan was picked instead. A case could also be made for Glenn Hughes, since he is the only one of the five who also plays an instrument, and had someone made this point, I would have accepted it. Four of the men above are alive, but sadly Ronnie James Dio is not. I had however decided not to accept that as a motivation, had someone raised it. "Ozzy Osbourne - only one whose first name is a nickanme based on his surname? Obviously incorrect - because what is a "nickanme"? Now, if we, despite the particular entrant in question, interpret this as "nickname", the answer is correct. However, my intention was that the four would have something interesting in common, and not having such a nickname is not particularly noteworthy. Thus, not accepted. > 3. Business: > Bang & Olufsen, BoConcept, Carlsberg, IKEA, Lego, IKEA - all other brands are Danish. Mark had not heard of BoConcept. I don't know big they are internationally, but they have a store in Bellevue, WA, and I find it difficult to believe that it would be a one-of-a-kind. "BoConcept. The others are all named, at least in part, after people" Incorrect. LEGO is derived from "Leg godt", Danish for "Play well". >4. Language: > Czech, German, Hungarian, Romanian, Slovak. Hungarian - not an Indo-European language. "Slovak uses a different alphabet" No, Slovak uses Latin script. >5. Science: > candela, kelvin, metre, second, volt. Volt - not a base unit in the SI system. "Metre - only misspelled one. :-)" Nope. No Toronto pub rules on this side of the Atlantic. :-) >6. City travel: > Charle de Gaulle Étoile, Montmatre, Oberkampf, Odéon, > Porte de Glignancourt. Montmartre - not a métro station in Paris. I also accepted Porte de Glignancourt, despite no comment was given. There is after all no station with that name - the correct spelling is Clignancourt, and I could not tell if that spelling error trapped the entrant who gave it. My apologies for no less than three spelling errors in this list. On the other hand, Oberkampf is a very much metro station - it is one stop from (Place de) Répulique. It was an intentional trap, so I happy to see some people swallowing the bait. :-) >7. Food: > farfalle, gnocchi, linguine, margherita, penne. Margherita is a pizza, not a type of pasta. >8. Science and language: > azote, ilt, oxygen, Sauerstoff, syre. azote, that's French for nitrogen. All the others are words for oxygen. (Danish, English, German and Swedish in that order.) >9. Current sport events: > Germany, Japan, Norway, Sweden, USA. Sweden for two reasons: 1) Have never won the FIFA Women's World Cup. (But who knows, maybe this time?) 2) Never hosted the Winter Olympics. The reason the latter counts as current is that on June 24th, the IOC selected the host for the games in 2026. And for the seventh(!) time, Sweden's bid was not accepted. Some of the Swedish bids in the past were probably fairly reasonable, but this one was just ridiculous. Just picture this: Stockholm was said to be the main host city, but the City Council declined to sign the bid, so Åre - where the alpine events were supposed to be held - signed instead. An internal report to the IOC presented on the day before the vote labelled the Swedish bid as a "high-risk project". And, yes, knowing some of the details, I can fully agree. "japan - did not win in round of 16 at FWWC in france" "Japan is out of the world cup" "Japan have not made the quarter finals of the women's world cup." Correct and absolutely significant enough to qualify, so there is no reason for me not to accept it. There is a twist though: it was not correct when I posted the quiz - the game between Japan and Netherlands was still going on. "Norway (only one not in the Women's World Cup)" They are (well, "were" by now), so this is incorrect. >10. Entertainment: > Pierre Brosnan, Sean Connery, Daniel Craig, Roger Moore, Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis - have never played James Bond. The only question that all entrants got. >11. Politics: > Jair Bolsonaro, Emmanuel Macron, Narendra Modi, Vladimir Putin, > Donald Trump, Narendra Modi - The others are Presidents, while Modi is Prime Minister. "Trump. The only world leader with no prior political experience." I did not accept this on the same grounds I did not accept Ozzy Osbourne. That is, having prior political experience is what you can expect from a politician. "Emmanuel Macron (only one not a right wing/nationalist politician)" I accepted this. I realised that this was a possibility when I composed the question, but at that point vaguely thought I would not accept this. But having it thrown in the face, I find it difficult not to accept it. In my original idea, I had Angela Merkel instead of Modi, but then I realised that she stood out for a different reason, and I could not think of any current female President that is well-known enough. As substitutes I also considered Shinzo Abe and Justin Trudeau, but I found Modi, being a PM in a republic a little more subtle. I was thinking of replacing Macron with Erdogan, but that did not happen. >12. Transport: > Air Canada, Air New Zealand, British Airways, Lufthansa, > Singapore Airlines. British Airways - not a Star Alliance member. The selection of airlines are based on a trip that I did last year. I first flew to Frankfurt with Lufthansa to get on a flight to Singapore with Singapore Airlines. I stayed in Singapore for a few days before continuing to Christchurch, again with Singapore Airlines. I was in New Zealand for 5½ weeks and eventually few out of Auckland with Air New Zealand to Vancouver. I had a ticket with Air Canada to get to Victoria, but I got a ride with a friend. I flew home from SeaTac with Icelandair. However, I felt that Icelandair was too obscure for people to spot, so I replaced that with British Airlines - but it did not really help, as no one spotted the connection. (Mark got BA right, but gave a different motivation, which I have not verified., but appears to be correct.) "lufthansa - not a flag carrier airline" I am not too familiar with the concept of "flag carriers". I've been reading articles on Wikipedia. The article "Flag carrier" includes a list of flag-carrier airlines. This list includes Lufthansa, but the reference given is not particularly convincing. But nor is the reference for British Airways. I get the impression that these days the term itself is not used in a well-defined way, but it was more applicable in older days when about every country with self-respect had a nationally owned airline. For these reasons, I decided not to accept the answer. But if Stephen or someone else have more authoritative information, I can be persuaded. "Lufthansa (only one representing a country that does not have English as a major/national language)" A bit far-fetched, and on the margin of what I am prepared to accept, but since languages often plays a role in my quizzes, I thought that it was not entirely unreasonable to suspect that it could be involved here as well. I could have picked AIr France instead. Oh well. Accepted. "Lufty was never government owned?" From what I can tell, it was until 1994. (Today, Lufthansa is privately owned as are BA and Air Canada.) Thus, not accepted. |
| msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 02 02:25PM -0500 Erland Sommarskog: > This quiz is over and it is a joint victory for Mark Brader and > Stephen W Perry, congratulations! (There is however, one semi-open > issue which may change this, but we'll see.) Thanks! > I am happy to see that the quiz attracted eight entrants which is > quite good these days. Yes, well done. > ...the answer is correct. However, my intention was that > the four [wrong answers] would have something interesting in common, You didn't make that a rule, and I don't think it's particularly interesting for a number to be a multiple of 9, or for a world leader to have the title of president. I am not arguing that you should accept my answer of Ozzy Osbourne, as my "motivation" on this question is obviously less notable than the one you had in mind. I'm just saying that you were inconsistent. > Mark had not heard of BoConcept. I don't know big they are > internationally, but they have a store in Bellevue, WA, and I find > it difficult to believe that it would be a one-of-a-kind. They have a store in Toronto. So what? I'm not in the habit of buying furniture. > >5. Science: > > candela, kelvin, metre, second, volt. > Volt - not a base unit in the SI system. Well, the candela doesn't *deserve* to be a base unit. So there. :-) > "Metre - only misspelled one. :-)" > Nope. No Toronto pub rules on this side of the Atlantic. :-) Actually that is the spelling usually used here. I refuse to conform. > > Porte de Glignancourt. > My apologies for no less than three spelling > errors in this list. (The other one was "Charles".) > On the other hand, Oberkampf is a very much metro station - it is one > stop from (Place de) Répulique. Ah, would you believe "République"?) > It was an intentional trap, so I > happy to see some people swallowing the bait. :-) Me too. > I did not accept this on the same grounds I did not accept Ozzy Osbourne. > That is, having prior political experience is what you can expect from > a politician. Unlike Ozzy Osbourne, I think this one should be accepted (if correct, and without checking, I believe it is). As I said above, you did not state such a rule. Similarly, I would have argued for accepting my answer of British Airways on the same grounds, if I had the facts correct and it had not happened (by chance) to be the expected answer anyway. Anyway, your contest, your decisions. -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "The singular of 'data' is not 'anecdote.'" msb@vex.net | -- Jeff Goldberg My text in this article is in the public domain. |
| Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 02 11:24PM +0200 >> ...the answer is correct. However, my intention was that >> the four [wrong answers] would have something interesting in common, > You didn't make that a rule, I said that the four would have something in common, but, yes, I think could have that a whole lot clearer. > and I don't think it's particularly interesting for a number to be a > multiple of 9, or for a world leader to have the title of president. Hey, only one number out nine is divisible by 9! Compare that to the percentage of world leaders with previous political experience or the amount of persons whose nickname are not derived from their first name. The world leader thing is a admittedly a little different, but not all Presidents are really world leaders (because their actual power is limited). Obviously, if something is odd enough is subjective, and also what is odd, and that is why I introduced the rule on motivations. > They have a store in Toronto. So what? I'm not in the habit of > buying furniture. Yet you knew about IKEA! |
| Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Jul 02 03:51PM -0700 On 7/2/19 2:24 PM, Erland Sommarskog wrote: >> They have a store in Toronto. So what? I'm not in the habit of >> buying furniture. > Yet you knew about IKEA! Everyone knows about IKEA! I've never stepped a foot inside one of the stores and I know about it. About the spelling thing. The US and Britain differ about the spelling of a few hundred words. They're mostly small differences, like whether to put a U in 'colo(u)r' or keep the A in 'h(a)emoglobin'. And of course, the -er/-re of certain words as in the 'meter' example, but also 'center' and 'theater' and a bunch of others. Most of the former colonies agree with Britain on spelling. Canada is the exception; they split the difference. For roughly half of those words, they use American spelling and the other half British. I know of no rule about which ones are which. -- Dan Tilque |
| Calvin <334152@gmail.com>: Jul 02 05:59PM -0700 On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 8:51:33 AM UTC+10, Dan Tilque wrote: > of a few hundred words. They're mostly small differences, like whether > to put a U in 'colo(u)r' or keep the A in 'h(a)emoglobin'. And of > course, the -er/-re of certain words as in the 'meter' example, Meter and metre are both used in Australia, as they have different meanings. I'm not sure how universal that is in Commonwealth/English speaking countries. cheers, calvin |
| msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 02 09:26PM -0500 Mark Brader: >>> They have a store in Toronto. So what? I'm not in the habit of >>> buying furniture. Erland Sommarskog: >> Yet you knew about IKEA! True, and in fact I've spent hundreds of dollars there. Dan Tilque: > Everyone knows about IKEA! I've never stepped a foot inside one of the > stores and I know about it. Grin. > to put a U in 'colo(u)r' or keep the A in 'h(a)emoglobin'. And of > course, the -er/-re of certain words as in the 'meter' example, but also > 'center' and 'theater' and a bunch of others. There are also many cases where *both* spellings are used in one of the two countries, though typically only one is used in the other. For this reason some people object to describing one spelling of a pair as American and the other as British. > Most of the former colonies agree with Britain on spelling. Well, except for North and South Carolina, Connecticut, Delaware, East and West Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Virginia. > Canada is the exception; they split the difference. For roughly half of > those words, they use American spelling and the other half British. And most Canadians have no idea of it -- if they think about the matter at all, they tend to believe that Canadian spelling is the same as British. My position is that two standards for one language are more than enough and I deny any right for Canada to have its own spelling standards. -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "If we gave people a choice, there would be chaos." msb@vex.net | -- Dick McDonald My text in this article is in the public domain. |
| Calvin <334152@gmail.com>: Jul 02 05:50PM -0700 On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 4:03:31 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote: > > Shearing > > No-one got this > Isn't it a form of tearing? There was a similar protest in the original game. It is a form of tearing, but tearing does not require a blade and does not necessarily make a clean cut so that answer was ruled insufficiently specific. Sorry. cheers, calvin |
| Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Jul 02 09:32AM -0700 On 6/30/19 1:19 PM, Mark Brader wrote: > 1. Introduced at a car show in 1954, the Lincoln Futura was only > a prototype, but it gained immortality painted in black, courtesy > of a '60s TV series. By what name do we know it from the show? Batmobile > 2. Name Disney's series of movies about a Volkswagen with a > personality and sense of self. Love Bug > 3. What was Doc Brown's time-travel car of choice? Delorean > 4. What was James Bond's car company of choice in 12 movies? Aston Martin > 5. This intelligent car from a popular '70s TV show was a revamped > Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. Name that show. Knight Rider > 6. This 1969 Dodge Charger was known on its '70s TV series as the > General Lee. Name that series. The Dukes of Hazzard > title car. > 8. The 1977 Trans Am will always be associated with a Burt Reynolds > movie. Name that movie. Smokey and the Bandit > 9. This very ugly AMC car was the official wheels of Wayne & > Garth in "Wayne's World", and the vehicle in which they sang > "Bohemian Rhapsody". Name that model. Pacer > 10. The lead character in this '90s/'00s sitcom, set in a previous > era, drove his dad's 1969 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser. Name that > sitcom. That 70s Show > list for most of his one season, and his big contract messed > up the team's salary cap for years. So, no love lost there. > Name him. Hakeem Olajuwan -- Dan Tilque |
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