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Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 20 03:53PM +0200

This quiz is over, and Stephen W Perry emerges as the winner!
Congratulations, the honour and glory is yours for the rest of the
day! Mark Brader comes in second, and Pete Gayde makes it to the
bronze position thanks to having the first tie breaker correct.
 
Here is the full scoreboard:
 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Total 1st Tie 2nd Tie
Stephen P 1 1 - - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 - 9 - -
Mark B 1 1 - 1 1 1 - 1 - 1 1 - 8 - -
Pete G 1 1 - - - 1 1 - 1 1 1 - 7 X -
Bruce B 1 1 - 1 - 1 - - 1 1 1 - 7 - -
Joe M 1 - - - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - 7 - -
Joshua K 1 1 - 1 1 1 1 - - - 1 - 7 - -
Calvin - - - - 1 1 1 1 1 1 - - 6 - -
Dan B 1 - - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 1 - 6 - -
Chris J - - - 1 - 1 1 1 - - - - 4 - -


Here are the questions and the answers.
 
 
> 1. Superheroes: Captain America, Green Lantern, Hulk, Silver Surfer,
> Spiderman
 
Intended answer: Green Latern. He is from DC Comics, the others are from
Marvel
 
I also approved Silver Surfer "only alien in the group".
 
 
> 2. Numbers: 168, 1440, 3600, 6200, 86400
 
Intended answer: 6200, no particular relation to time. (Also not divisble
by 24.)
 
168 - Hours per week. 1440 - Minutes per day. 3600 - Seconds per hour.
86400 - Seconds per day.
 
> 3. Events in European history: 1569, 1772, 1793, 1795, 1939
 
I should probably have made the hint a little more precise, to say
that they all relate to the same country.
 
1569 - This saw the formation of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,
which formalised Poland and Lithuania as a single state. They had been
united by a personal union for 183 years. This is the odd one.
 
1772 - First partition of Poland by Russia, Prussia and Austria.
 
1793 - Second partition of Poland by Russia and Prussia
 
1795 - Third partition of Poland by all three wipes Poland of the map.
 
1939 - Poland divided again, this time by Nazi Germany and USSR.
 
 
 
> 4. Phonetics: [b], [g], [k], [n], [t]
 
Inteded answer [n] - this is a nasal, not a stop.
 
I did not approve "the others use 'e' in their sounds; bee gee kay en tee",
because the items listed were phones (whence the brackets) and not
letters. And the hint said Phonetics.

> 5. Geographical science: AL, CA, MN, NE, OR
 
Intended answer OR.
 
AL = Alabama/Aluminium, CA = California/Calcium, MN = Minnesota/Manganese,
NE = Nebraska/Neon, OR = Oregon
 
I grudgingly accepted NE on the ground "Bounded on all sides by other
US states." However, I did not accept NE "because it has no lake or ocean
boundary". A map inspection shows that part of the border to South Dakota
is on the Lewis and Clark lake.
 
 
> 6. Cars: Hyundai, Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, Toyota
 
Intended answer: Hyundai, from South Korea, all others are from Japan.
 
 
> Il barbiere di Siviglia,
> La clemenza di Tito,
> Le Nozze di Figaro
 
Intended answer: Il barbiere di Siviglia which is by Rossini. The others
are all by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
 
I also approved "Le nozze di Figaro", "4 acts, not 2".
 
 
> Murder on the Orient Express,
> The Nine Tailors,
> Why Didn't They Ask Evans?
 
Intended answer: "The Nine Tailors", which is by Dorothy Sayers. The
others are by Agatha Christie.
 
> 9. Computing: Amber Lake, Bulldozer, Ivy Bridge, Nehalem, Sandy Bridge
 
Intended answer: Bulldozer. All are CPU chips, but Bulldozer is AMD.
The others are Intel.
 
 
> 10. Religion: Brahma, Kami, Lakshmi, Shiva, Vishnu
 
Intended answer: Kami. The others are Hindu deity. Kami is Shinto.
 
 
> 11. Islands: Crete, Timor, Ireland, Tierra del Fuego, Saint Martin,
 
Intended answer: Crete, not divided by an international border.
 
Timor - Indonesia & East Timor, Ireland - Ireland & UK,
Tierra del Fuego - Chile & Argentina, Saint Martin - France & Netherlands.
 
This question was inspired by question in one of the quizzes recently
reposted by Mark.
 
 
 
>12. Four of these pictures are from the same country. Which is from a
> different country?
> E: http://www.sommarskog.se/temp/E.jpg
 
This picture is from Puerto Edén. This very remote settlement in the
Patagonian fiords is the last outpost of the Kawéscar people who used
to live on these lands and waters. There are no roads leading here, but
Navimag pass by with their ferries four times a week en route between
Puerto Natales and Puerto Montt. People come out with their boats to
load and unload goods and people. They do have 4G coverage.
 
> H: http://www.sommarskog.se/temp/H.jpg
 
This is from the Río Hurtado valley, some 350 km north of Santiago as the
crow flies. Rain is erratic in this area, and that is why the mountains
are bare. But the ground as such is very fertile, so add water and it
starts to grow like crazy, and the vegetation along the river is very dense.
 
> P: http://www.sommarskog.se/temp/P.jpg
 
The Atacama desert meets the Pacific Ocean at the original site for Pisagua.
(The modern Pisagua is 2 km further south, but that, too, is almost a
ghost town after the demise of the nitrate boom). This is one of the few
places along the coastal range where a river bed has managed to cut through
the coastal range. Just don't ask me where the water is.
 
> T: http://www.sommarskog.se/temp/T.jpg
 
Tyresta National Park is just south of Stockholm and I often to there
in summer. They say that this type of nature of pines growing on a thin
soil on rocky ground is unique to the area around Stockholm and the south
of Finland. The rock is from very old mountain, and normally mountains
that old are covered by a thick layer of soil. But during the ice age,
the land was pressed below sea level. When the ice withdrew, the open
sea flushed away all the soil, and the rock came into the open. As the
land kept bouncing back, it is again above sea level, but the amount of
soil assembled on top of it is thin.
 
So this is the odd one.
 
> V: http://www.sommarskog.se/temp/V.jpg
 
The vulcano Villarrica as seen across the lake of Villarrica from the
city of Villarrica. On the other side of the lake, at foot of the vulcano
more or less, lies Pucón, which, according to my guide book, has the
highest concentration of tourist facliities in the Americas south of
Costa Rica. I never made it myself to Pucón, though.
 
> First tie breaker: Which country are the four pictures from?
 
Chile. Kudos to Pete Gayde for spotting this. This was a very difficult
question, but I was still surprised over some of the answers. New Zealand?
I can't think of how neither H or T would fit in there.
 
> Second tie breaker: From which country is the odd one?
 
Sweden. One entrant suggested that T could be anywhere. And maybe it can.
For me, this is a very common scene, but as I said above, I am told that
it is unique to this part of the world. But maybe the story is that if you
find a scene like this elsewhere in this world, it would be on higher
elevations in a mountain range, and not in a coastal landscape.
 
 
Thanks to everyone for playing!
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 20 11:54AM -0500

Erland Sommarskog:
> This quiz is over, and Stephen W Perry emerges as the winner!
 
Well done, Stephen! And thanks for the quiz, Erland!
 
> US states." However, I did not accept NE "because it has no lake or ocean
> boundary". A map inspection shows that part of the border to South Dakota
> is on the Lewis and Clark lake.
 
Well, consider that the question was imprecise. The intended categorization
is really geography *and* science, not *geographical* science, which sounds
like a fancy way of saying geography, or even a non-native speaker's error.
Further, element symbols are never written in block upper case.
 
Now the entire western border of CA and OR is ocean, the entire
southern border of AL is ocean, and the entire northeastern border of
MN is lake. But the northern border of NE is mostly on dry land and
part of it follows the Missouri River, with the lake forming a small
part of that. I think describing the state as *not* having a lake
boundary is no more imprecise than the question was, and should be
accepted.
 
> > T: http://www.sommarskog.se/temp/T.jpg
 
> One entrant suggested that T could be anywhere.
 
If you mean me, I said "almost anywhere", but I meant almost anywhere
in the US, which is where I guessed that four of the pictures were.
--
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msb@vex.net | "Too many ... try to make complex things simple ...
Toronto | and succeed ... only in making simple things complex."
| -- Jeff Prothero
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Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 20 07:10PM +0200

> categorization is really geography *and* science, not *geographical*
> science, which sounds like a fancy way of saying geography, or even a
> non-native speaker's error.
 
Yeah, I was a victim of my own format there. There was not a good label
for this kind of crossover problem. Least not if I did not wanted to
give away the clue to easily.
 
> Further, element symbols are never written in block upper case.
 
Yup. I was considering for a short while to have everything lowercase,
but I decided to use the format for states. And quite a few entrants
got what was it is all about. Even if one entrant still picked the wrong
state.
 
> part of that. I think describing the state as *not* having a lake
> boundary is no more imprecise than the question was, and should be
> accepted.
 
Nah, I found "not being bordered by lake or ocean" problematic as
such, since this really two different notable things, and not one.
The lake was only the final nail in the coffin.
 
A motivation like "does not have any water border at all" would have
had more relevance, had that been true. Although, if I would do something
like that, I would rather find four square states and then add something
with at least a partly curved state, for instance Nebraska.
 
Looking in retrospect, I should have taken another inland state instead
of Oregon. Then again, that is the charm of these quizzes: it is always
interesting to see what the entrants come up with.
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 20 12:20PM -0500

Erland Sommarskog:
> Looking in retrospect, I should have taken another inland state instead
> of Oregon. Then again, that is the charm of these quizzes: it is always
> interesting to see what the entrants come up with.
 
Indeed. You didn't even remark on the *other* reason I mentioned why
NE is distinct, which is more like geographical *history*.
 
Thanks for responding.
--
Mark Brader "They are taking to the new methods
Toronto like a duck takes to stock trading."
msb@vex.net --Mark Leeper
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 20 11:20PM +0200

> Indeed. You didn't even remark on the *other* reason I mentioned why
> NE is distinct, which is more like geographical *history*.
 
Yeah, had you given that reason alone, you would not have been awarded.
It is not particularly notable that a state has never changed its code
not conflict with Canada.
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 20 05:59PM -0500

Mark Brader:
> > Indeed. You didn't even remark on the *other* reason I mentioned why
> > NE is distinct, which is more like geographical *history*.
 
Erland Sommarskog:
> Yeah, had you given that reason alone, you would not have been awarded.
> It is not particularly notable that a state has never changed its code
> not conflict with Canada.
 
Sure it is. How many other states besides NE have changed their codes?
Zero.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "X-ray of girl shows bureaucratic mentality"
msb@vex.net | --Globe & Mail, Toronto, January 18, 1988
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 21 09:40AM +0200

>> not conflict with Canada.
 
> Sure it is. How many other states besides NE have changed their codes?
> Zero.
 
Yes, what I said. It's the four that should be notable, not the odd one.
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 20 09:56PM -0500

These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2007-02-05,
and should be interpreted accordingly. All questions were written
by members of the Usual Suspects, but have been reformatted and
may have been retyped and/or edited by me. I will reveal the
correct answers in about 3 days.
 
For further information see my 2020-06-23 companion posting on
"Reposted Questions from the Canadian Inquisition (RQFTCI*)".
 
In some cases either the answers or the facts stated as current
in the question have changed since the question was written.
I've tried to call attention to such possibilities by inserting
*tripled quotation marks* around words that were correct at the time
of the original game -- for example, """now""" or """is""" (pretty
much any present-tense verb may be marked). I will always accept
the answer that was correct when the question was originally asked.
If the facts have changed in such a way that a different answer is
now correct (rather than some other sort of change), I will also
accept the new correct answer -- unless there is an explicit note
requiring otherwise. See the companion posting for further details.
 
 
I originally wrote one of these rounds, and if you read carefully,
you might be able to figure out which one.
 
 
* Game 3, Round 4 - Science - Zoonoses ["ZOH-uh-NO-seas"]
 
A zoonosis ["ZOH-uh-NO-sis" or "zoh-ON-uh-sis"] is a disease of
animals transmissible to humans. In each case, name the disease.
 
1. A red-hot poker was at one time commonly used in attempts to
prevent what disease?
 
2. This zoonosis is named for the way you can catch it, but it's
also known as Debré's syndrome, Debré-Mollaret syndrome,
Foshay-Mollaret syndrome, Petzetakis' disease, Parinaud
oculoglandular disease, and as if those names weren't long enough,
benign inoculation lymphoreticulosis. Give the easy name.
 
3. What disease is most commonly transferred to humans from living
birds? (No, not bird flu.)
 
4. When this round's writer was a child, her pediatrician warned her
that pet turtles could be dangerous. What common infection are
you most likely to catch from one?
 
5. This disease is best known for deadly epidemics elsewhere, but
in the southwest US, the ground squirrel provides a reservoir
for it.
 
6. People usually catch this disease from mosquitoes, but it is
also known to occur in horses, cats, bats, chipmunks,
skunks, squirrels, domestic rabbits, and (significantly)
birds. What is it?
 
7. In the movie "Hud", the memorable scene of the cattle slaughter
portrays the ranchers' response to an outbreak of what disease?
 
8. What disease, now rare in North America, can be caught from
eating undercooked pork? Be sufficiently specific.
 
9. What tick-borne disease identified in the 20th century takes
its name from a town in New England?
 
10. Another tick-borne disease is named after a region of North
America, but is actually found throughout the continent.
What is it?
 
 
* Game 3, Round 6 - Entertainment - Meanwhile in Real Life
 
These questions are about actors and actresses and other occupations or
positions they have held in real life. Except as noted, name the person
being described.
 
1. This economist and law professor """has also been""" a comedian and,
from 1997 to 2002, a game show host.
 
2. This obstetrician won an Oscar for his first professional acting
job, in a 1984 drama of oppression.
 
3. Baroness Haden-Guest """is""" better known as who?
 
4. He was still serving as a US senator when he joined the cast
of a long-running weekly TV drama in 2002 -- playing an elected
official on the show. Name him.
 
5. Many athletes try switching to acting, but this actress went
the other way. In her chosen sport she finished 29th of 300
in the US national championships, but she did not make the cut
in the Olympic trials.
 
6. All too many actors become involved with drugs, but this man
went the other way. Convicted of dealing cocaine in 1978, he
then became an actor. He """has""" starred in a long-running
1990s TV sitcom as well as a number of successful movies.
 
7. Omar Sharif was a world-class player of what?
 
8. Hedy Lamarr and her co-worker George Antheil received a patent
in 1942 in what field?
 
9. During World War II he turned from acting to flying bombers,
eventually rising to brigadier general in the US Air Force.
 
10. Another actor-pilot was a cabinetmaker before becoming a movie
star, and """has been""" known to fly search and rescue missions in
his helicopter.
 
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "When you're up to your ass in alligators, maybe
msb@vex.net | you're in the wrong swamp." -- Bill Stewart
 
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Joshua Kreitzer <gromit82@hotmail.com>: Jul 21 04:19AM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in
 
> 4. When this round's writer was a child, her pediatrician warned her
> that pet turtles could be dangerous. What common infection are
> you most likely to catch from one?
 
I don't know, but Mark must have written the *other* round.
 
> 8. What disease, now rare in North America, can be caught from
> eating undercooked pork? Be sufficiently specific.
 
trichinosis

> 9. What tick-borne disease identified in the 20th century takes
> its name from a town in New England?
 
Lyme disease
 
> 10. Another tick-borne disease is named after a region of North
> America, but is actually found throughout the continent.
> What is it?
 
Rocky Mountain spotted fever

 
> 1. This economist and law professor """has also been""" a comedian
> and,
> from 1997 to 2002, a game show host.
 
Ben Stein
 
> 2. This obstetrician won an Oscar for his first professional acting
> job, in a 1984 drama of oppression.
 
Haing S. Ngor

> 3. Baroness Haden-Guest """is""" better known as who?
 
Jamie Lee Curtis
 
> 4. He was still serving as a US senator when he joined the cast
> of a long-running weekly TV drama in 2002 -- playing an elected
> official on the show. Name him.
 
Fred Dalton Thompson
 
> the other way. In her chosen sport she finished 29th of 300
> in the US national championships, but she did not make the cut
> in the Olympic trials.
 
Geena Davis
 
> went the other way. Convicted of dealing cocaine in 1978, he
> then became an actor. He """has""" starred in a long-running
> 1990s TV sitcom as well as a number of successful movies.
 
Tim Allen

> 7. Omar Sharif was a world-class player of what?
 
bridge
 
> 8. Hedy Lamarr and her co-worker George Antheil received a patent
> in 1942 in what field?
 
radio; electronics

> 9. During World War II he turned from acting to flying bombers,
> eventually rising to brigadier general in the US Air Force.
 
James Stewart
 
> 10. Another actor-pilot was a cabinetmaker before becoming a movie
> star, and """has been""" known to fly search and rescue missions in
> his helicopter.
 
Harrison Ford
 
--
Joshua Kreitzer
gromit82@hotmail.com
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 21 09:39AM +0200

> * Game 3, Round 6 - Entertainment - Meanwhile in Real Life
 
> 7. Omar Sharif was a world-class player of what?
 
Bridge
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jul 20 09:53PM -0500

Mark Brader:
 
> 1. In 732 a famous battle was fought in which Frankish and
> Burgundian troops defeated Muslim forces from Spain. Name
> the battle *or* the French military leader.
 
Battle of Tours (or Poitiers); Charles "the Hammer" Martel.
4 for Joshua (the hard way), Erland, Dan Blum, Stephen (the hard
way), and Dan Tilque.
 
> 2. Who was the King of the Franks from 768 to 814?
 
Charlemagne (Charles the Great). 4 for Joshua, Erland, Dan Blum,
Stephen, and Dan Tilque.
 
> 3. Which dynasty of French Kings began with Hugh in 987 and
> continued until the death of Charles IV in 1328?
 
Capetian. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, and Stephen.
 
> become highly influential in a reformist order that had split
> from the Benedictines. Name this monk *or* the order that he
> helped to build.
 
(St.) Bernard (of Clairvaux); Cistercian order.
 
> 5. Starting in 1208 the Catholic church brought a crusade against
> *which group*, which it accused of heresy?
 
Cathars (or Albigensians). 4 for Joshua (the hard way), Erland,
Dan Blum, Stephen, and Dan Tilque.
 
> 6. Which French legislative assembly was first called in 1302 by
> Philip IV, consisting of a council of nobles that he hoped
> would assist him in a dispute with the Pope?
 
Estates-General (or States-General). 4 for Stephen.
 
> 7. Some of Philip's machinations must have succeeded, since a few
> years later his supporter Clement V became Pope, and the papacy
> moved -- to which French city?
 
Avignon. 4 for everyone -- Joshua, Erland, Dan Blum, Stephen,
Pete, and Dan Tilque.
 
> the invocation of what body of law -- which, among other less
> controversial measures, dictated that the heir to the throne
> must be male?
 
Salic Law. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, and Dan Tilque.
 
The wrong answer "primogeniture" given in the original game led to
a protest, and I'm reproducing the ruling on that one here because
it's kind of interesting:
 
This word has two meanings: it's either the rule that the firstborn
son inherits, or the rule that the firstborn child inherits.
It's not a "body of law", and it doesn't say what happens if there
is no such child; for example, in some cases when primogeniture
is the rule, nobody would inherit. In this case the previous
king had no son and Philip V was his uncle. Protest denied.
 
This is kind of an interesting story, so here's a bit more detail.
King Louis X died in June 1316. He had a daughter, Jeanne,
and his wife Clemence was pregnant. There was some question of
whether Salic Law was the correct body of law to apply to the
inheritance; if not, Jeanne might have become queen. But in
the end it was decided that Salic Law did apply, and that meant
females were completely ineligible.
 
However, a posthumous son *was* eligible to inherit, so the throne
remained vacant until November when Clemence gave birth. When the
child proved to be a boy, he became King John/Jean I at birth.
But he only lived 5 days. As the new king had died without issue,
and Jeanne was still ineligible under Salic Law, the throne now
passed to Louis's brother, John's uncle, who became Philip V.
 
> 9. Within 10 years on either side, when did the 100 Years' War
> (which actually lasted 116 years) end?
 
1453 (accepting 1443-1463). 4 for Dan Blum and Stephen.
 
> 10. Joan of Arc became a French heroine for being instrumental in
> lifting the English siege of what city, in 1429?
 
Orléans. 4 for Erland, Dan Blum, Stephen, Pete, and Dan Tilque.
2 for Joshua.
 
 
 
> 1. Autobiography. "When my mother was pregnant with me, she told
> me later, a party of hooded Ku Klux Klan riders galloped up to
> our home in Omaha, Nebraska, one night."
 
"The Autobiography of Malcolm X" (as told to Alex Haley).
I reluctnatly scored "Malcom X" as almost correct since it was
the important part of the title. 4 for Joshua and Dan Blum.
3 for Stephen.
 
> creatures from space ever visit earth, the first question they
> will ask, in order to assess the level of our civilization, is:
> 'Have they discovered evolution yet?'"
 
"The Selfish Gene" (by Richard Dawkins). 4 for Stephen.
 
> "There is an art to the building up of suspense."
> "Heads."
> "Though it can be done by luck alone."
 
"Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead" (by Tom Stoppard).
4 for Stephen. 2 for Dan Blum.
 
> 4. Novel, in translation. "Eh bien, mon prince, so Genoa and
> Lucca are now no more than private estates of the Bonaparte
> family."
 
"War and Peace" ("Voyna i Mir", by Leo Tolstoy). 4 for Joshua,
Dan Blum, and Stephen.
 
> not because of his voice, or because he was the smallest person
> I ever knew, or even because he was the instrument of my mother's
> death, but because he is the reason I believe in God."
 
"A Prayer for Owen Meany" (by John Irving). 4 for Joshua and Stephen.
 
> by management theorists in the mid-1980s: that successful
> corporations must primarily produce brands, as opposed to
> products."
 
"No Logo" (by Naomi Klein). I acceped "No Label" as almost correct.
4 for Stephen.
 
> 7. Novel, in translation. "Someone must have been telling lies
> about Joseph K., for without having done anything wrong he was
> arrested one fine morning."
 
"The Trial" ("Der Prozess", by Franz Kafka). I did not accept
an English translation of a different sense of the German word.
4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, and Stephen.
 
> had sharpened my senses -- not destroyed -- not dulled them.
> Above all was my sense of hearing acute. I heard all things
> in heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell."
 
"The Tell-Tale Heart" (by Edgar Allan Poe). 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum,
and Stephen.
 
> 9. Novel. "Once upon a time there was a Martian named Valentine
> Michael Smith."
 
"Stranger in a Strange Land" (by Robert A. Heinlein). 4 for Dan Blum,
Stephen, and Dan Tilque.
 
> 10. Sacred literature, in translation. "On the field of Truth,
> on the battle-field of life, what came to pass, Sanjaya, when
> my sons and their warriors faced those of my brother Pandu?"
 
The "(Bhagavad-)Gita". 4 for Stephen.
 
 
Scores, if there are no errors:
 
GAME 3 ROUNDS-> 2 3 TOTALS
TOPICS-> His Lit
Stephen Perry 32 39 71
Dan Blum 32 22 54
Joshua Kreitzer 26 20 46
Dan Tilque 24 4 28
Erland Sommarskog 20 0 20
Pete Gayde 8 0 8
 
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Toronto | I myself would start with dismay and *work my way up*
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