msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Aug 21 12:19PM -0500 These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2018-06-04, and should be interpreted accordingly. On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty. Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup, based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal the correct answers in about 3 days. All questions were written by members of What She Said and are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may have been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information see my 2018-07-16 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian Inquisition (QFTCI*)". ** Game 3, Round 9 - Canadiana Sports - Briefly Blue Jays Some very noteworthy baseball players have been Blue Jays for just one season, or even only for part of a season. In each case, name them. 1. Three Molina brothers have been catchers in the majors. Give the *first name* of the one who played for the Jays in 2006. For the remaining questions, the surname is sufficient. 2. In 2012 this shortstop played with the Jays for the last of his 24 major-league seasons, during which he became the oldest shortstop in league history. He appeared on the ballot for election to the Hall of Fame for the first time this year. 3. On this year's Hall of Fame ballot was a Blue Jays second baseman who was a rookie with the 1992 team. He was traded to the Mets for David Cone, but his career took off during his time with the Giants, where he was an All-Star 3 times (out of a total 5 over his career). 4. The Jays traded with the Detroit Tigers for this 5-time All-Star pitcher in 2015 to aid their championship hopes. 5. This popular slugger, best known for his time with the San Diego Padres and New York Yankees, had the clinching hit in the Jays' 1992 World Series victory. 6. The Jays traded for this player, widely considered to be the best leadoff hitter of all time, in 1993. He contributed to their World Series victory that year. 7. The Jays acquired this well-known relief pitcher in 1984, right near the end of his pitching career. He was most famous as a Yankee. After his pitching career ended, he became a pitching coach. He has been with the Giants in various roles since 2000. His nickname is Rags. 8. The Jays acquired another knuckleball pitcher in 1987, but this 5-time All-Star (a pure knuckleballer, unlike his more diversely-pitching All-Star brother), was a disappointment and the Jays released him after just 3 starts. 9. This Cy Young winner and a World Series MVP with the Twins finished his career with the Jays in 1996. His nickname was "Sweet Music". 10. The Jays signed this 4-time All-Star outfielder, known for his time with the Texas Rangers and Oakland Athletics, in 1997, hoping for a return to form. Unfortunately for the team, he did not make his comeback until he returned to the Rangers in 2000. ** Game 3, Round 10 - Challenge Round - A Bagel on a Plate Full of Onion Rolls "A bagel on a plate full of onion rolls" is how the title character in the musical "Funny Girl", which closed on Broadway 51 years ago this week, describes herself. This show made a young performer from Brooklyn a star almost overnight. Her name is Barbra Streisand, and this round is partly about, and partly inspired by, her life and career. * A. History, or "The Way We Were" A1. Streisand's first TV appearance was on an April 1961 episode of what program? A2. The June 1967 conflict between Israel and the United Arab Republic (now Egypt), Jordan, and Syria occurred at the same time as the filming of "Funny Girl". Production photos of Streisand and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a movement in the Egyptian press to revoke his citizenship. Name that conflict. * B. Entertainment, or "People" B1. In 1976 Streisand starred in the third film version of "A Star is Born". Her co-star was this musician and actor, known for his outlaw country style and his membership in the country supergroup the Highwaymen. Name him. B2. In the 75-year history of the Golden Globe Awards, a woman has been won Best Director exactly once: Barbra Streisand for "Yentl" in 1984. Similarly, in the 90-year history of the Academy Awards, only one woman has won for best director, for the 2009 film "The Hurt Locker". Name her. * C. Literature, or "Papa, Can You Hear Me?" C1. Pat Conroy wrote this 1986 novel, and then the screenplay for the 1991 film adaptation of it, which Streisand directed and starred in. Name it. C2. Barbra Streisand directed and starred in "Yentl", the story of an Ashkenazi Jewish girl living in Poland, who dresses as a boy in order to study Talmudic law. It is based on a story by which writer, who received the 1978 Nobel Prize for Literature? * D. Science, or "Hello, Gorgeous" D1. Earlier this year, Streisand spoke publicly about how she had two dogs which were clones of her previous beloved dog Samantha. What was the first mammal to be cloned using somatic-cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT? D2. In 2005, Barbra unsuccessfully sued a photographer for publishing a photo of her Malibu residence. The resulting publicity led to what term being coined? It refers to the phenomenon when an attempt to hide or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information much more widely. * E. Sports, or "My Man" E1. Streisand briefly dated a muchyounger tennis star after his win at Wimbledon in 1992. He said dating her was "like wearing hot lava". Who? E2. In the mid-1960s Streisand dated this quarterback, most famous for leading the New York Jets to victory in Super Bowl III. Name him. * F. Miscellaneous, or "Don't Rain on my Parade" F1. At the 1969 Oscars, Barbra and Katharine Hepburn *both* won the Academy Award for Best Actress in a rare tie. Barbra won for the movie version of "Funny Girl". Name the movie that gave Hepburn the tie. F2. Please decode the rot13 only after you have finished with the previous question. Juvpu uvfgbevpny svther qvq Xngunevar Urcohea cbegenl va "Gur Yvba va Jvagre"? -- Mark Brader | "A colorful quilt reflecting the dispersed development msb@vex.net | of the nation. A sentence fragment." Toronto | --Eric Walker My text in this article is in the public domain. |
Bruce Bowler <bruce.bowler@gmail.com>: Aug 21 06:22PM On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:19:33 -0500, Mark Brader wrote: > and/or edited by me. For further information see my 2018-07-16 > companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian Inquisition (QFTCI*)". > ** Game 3, Round 9 - Canadiana Sports - Briefly Blue Jays nyet > * A. History, or "The Way We Were" > A1. Streisand's first TV appearance was on an April 1961 episode > of what program? The Dick Cavett show, Laugh-in > as the filming of "Funny Girl". Production photos of Streisand > and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a movement in the Egyptian > press to revoke his citizenship. Name that conflict. The six days war > "A Star is Born". Her co-star was this musician and actor, known > for his outlaw country style and his membership in the country > supergroup the Highwaymen. Name him. Kris Kristoferson > of an Ashkenazi Jewish girl living in Poland, who dresses as a > boy in order to study Talmudic law. It is based on a story by > which writer, who received the 1978 Nobel Prize for Literature? Too early for Weisel, so I'll guess Singer > she had two dogs which were clones of her previous beloved dog > Samantha. What was the first mammal to be cloned using > somatic-cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT? Dolly the sheep > E2. In the mid-1960s Streisand dated this quarterback, most > famous for leading the New York Jets to victory in Super Bowl > III. Name him. Joe Namath > the Academy Award for Best Actress in a rare tie. Barbra won for > the movie version of "Funny Girl". Name the movie that gave > Hepburn the tie. Lion in Winter > F2. Please decode the rot13 only after you have finished with > the previous question. Juvpu uvfgbevpny svther qvq Xngunevar > Urcohea cbegenl va "Gur Yvba va Jvagre"? Eleanor of Aquitaine |
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Aug 21 08:58PM +0200 > ** Game 3, Round 9 - Canadiana Sports - Briefly Blue Jays No thank you. > ** Game 3, Round 10 - Challenge Round - A Bagel on a Plate Full of Onion Rolls > of Streisand and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a > movement in the Egyptian press to revoke his citizenship. > Name that conflict. Six-day war. > as a boy in order to study Talmudic law. It is based on > a story by which writer, who received the 1978 Nobel Prize > for Literature? Heinrich Böll > she had two dogs which were clones of her previous beloved > dog Samantha. What was the first mammal to be cloned using > somatic-cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT? Sheep > E1. Streisand briefly dated a muchyounger tennis star after > his win at Wimbledon in 1992. He said dating her was > "like wearing hot lava". Who? Boris Becker |
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Aug 21 07:28PM > * A. History, or "The Way We Were" > A1. Streisand's first TV appearance was on an April 1961 episode > of what program? Ed Sullivan Show > of Streisand and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a > movement in the Egyptian press to revoke his citizenship. > Name that conflict. Six-Day War > "A Star is Born". Her co-star was this musician and actor, > known for his outlaw country style and his membership in > the country supergroup the Highwaymen. Name him. Kris Kristofferson > "Yentl" in 1984. Similarly, in the 90-year history of the > Academy Awards, only one woman has won for best director, > for the 2009 film "The Hurt Locker". Name her. Bigelow > C1. Pat Conroy wrote this 1986 novel, and then the screenplay > for the 1991 film adaptation of it, which Streisand directed > and starred in. Name it. Prince of Tides > as a boy in order to study Talmudic law. It is based on > a story by which writer, who received the 1978 Nobel Prize > for Literature? Isaac Bashevis Singer > she had two dogs which were clones of her previous beloved > dog Samantha. What was the first mammal to be cloned using > somatic-cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT? sheep > phenomenon when an attempt to hide or censor a piece of > information has the unintended consequence of publicizing > the information much more widely. Streisand Effect > E2. In the mid-1960s Streisand dated this quarterback, most > famous for leading the New York Jets to victory in Super > Bowl III. Name him. Joe Namath > the Academy Award for Best Actress in a rare tie. Barbra won > for the movie version of "Funny Girl". Name the movie that > gave Hepburn the tie. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner > F2. Please decode the rot13 only after you have finished with > the previous question. Juvpu uvfgbevpny svther qvq Xngunevar > Urcohea cbegenl va "Gur Yvba va Jvagre"? Eleanor of Aquitaine -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dan Blum tool@panix.com "I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up." |
Calvin <334152@gmail.com>: Aug 21 05:38PM -0700 On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 3:19:39 AM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote: > ** Game 3, Round 9 - Canadiana Sports - Briefly Blue Jays No thanks. > * A. History, or "The Way We Were" > A1. Streisand's first TV appearance was on an April 1961 episode > of what program? Laugh In, I Love Lucy > of Streisand and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a > movement in the Egyptian press to revoke his citizenship. > Name that conflict. Six Day War > "A Star is Born". Her co-star was this musician and actor, > known for his outlaw country style and his membership in > the country supergroup the Highwaymen. Name him. Kristoffersen > "Yentl" in 1984. Similarly, in the 90-year history of the > Academy Awards, only one woman has won for best director, > for the 2009 film "The Hurt Locker". Name her. Bigelow > she had two dogs which were clones of her previous beloved > dog Samantha. What was the first mammal to be cloned using > somatic-cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT? Dolly the Sheep > E1. Streisand briefly dated a muchyounger tennis star after > his win at Wimbledon in 1992. He said dating her was > "like wearing hot lava". Who? Agassi > E2. In the mid-1960s Streisand dated this quarterback, most > famous for leading the New York Jets to victory in Super > Bowl III. Name him. Namath > the Academy Award for Best Actress in a rare tie. Barbra won > for the movie version of "Funny Girl". Name the movie that > gave Hepburn the tie. The Lion in Winter > F2. Please decode the rot13 only after you have finished with > the previous question. Juvpu uvfgbevpny svther qvq Xngunevar > Urcohea cbegenl va "Gur Yvba va Jvagre"? Eleanor of Aquitane cheers, calvin |
Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Aug 21 05:50PM -0700 Mark Brader wrote: > * A. History, or "The Way We Were" > A1. Streisand's first TV appearance was on an April 1961 episode > of what program? Ed Sullivan Show > of Streisand and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a > movement in the Egyptian press to revoke his citizenship. > Name that conflict. Six Day War > "Yentl" in 1984. Similarly, in the 90-year history of the > Academy Awards, only one woman has won for best director, > for the 2009 film "The Hurt Locker". Name her. Barbra Streisand > E1. Streisand briefly dated a muchyounger tennis star after > his win at Wimbledon in 1992. He said dating her was > "like wearing hot lava". Who? Borg > E2. In the mid-1960s Streisand dated this quarterback, most > famous for leading the New York Jets to victory in Super > Bowl III. Name him. Namath > F2. Please decode the rot13 only after you have finished with > the previous question. Juvpu uvfgbevpny svther qvq Xngunevar > Urcohea cbegenl va "Gur Yvba va Jvagre"? Eleanor of Aquitaine -- Dan Tilque |
Joshua Kreitzer <gromit82@hotmail.com>: Aug 22 04:59AM msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in > ** Game 3, Round 9 - Canadiana Sports - Briefly Blue Jays > 1. Three Molina brothers have been catchers in the majors. > Give the *first name* of the one who played for the Jays in 2006. Yadier > 5. This popular slugger, best known for his time with the San Diego > Padres and New York Yankees, had the clinching hit in the Jays' > 1992 World Series victory. Dave Winfield > 6. The Jays traded for this player, widely considered to be the > best leadoff hitter of all time, in 1993. He contributed to > their World Series victory that year. Rickey Henderson > as a Yankee. After his pitching career ended, he became a > pitching coach. He has been with the Giants in various roles > since 2000. His nickname is Rags. Ragsdale > this 5-time All-Star (a pure knuckleballer, unlike his more > diversely-pitching All-Star brother), was a disappointment and > the Jays released him after just 3 starts. Perry > 9. This Cy Young winner and a World Series MVP with the Twins > finished his career with the Jays in 1996. His nickname was > "Sweet Music". Viola > * A. History, or "The Way We Were" > A1. Streisand's first TV appearance was on an April 1961 episode > of what program? "The Ed Sullivan Show" > of Streisand and her co-star, Omar Sharif, prompted a > movement in the Egyptian press to revoke his citizenship. > Name that conflict. Six Day War > "A Star is Born". Her co-star was this musician and actor, > known for his outlaw country style and his membership in > the country supergroup the Highwaymen. Name him. Kris Kristofferson > "Yentl" in 1984. Similarly, in the 90-year history of the > Academy Awards, only one woman has won for best director, > for the 2009 film "The Hurt Locker". Name her. Bigelow > C1. Pat Conroy wrote this 1986 novel, and then the screenplay > for the 1991 film adaptation of it, which Streisand directed > and starred in. Name it. "The Prince of Tides" > as a boy in order to study Talmudic law. It is based on > a story by which writer, who received the 1978 Nobel Prize > for Literature? Isaac Bashevis Singer > she had two dogs which were clones of her previous beloved > dog Samantha. What was the first mammal to be cloned using > somatic-cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT? sheep > phenomenon when an attempt to hide or censor a piece of > information has the unintended consequence of publicizing > the information much more widely. Streisand Effect > E1. Streisand briefly dated a muchyounger tennis star after > his win at Wimbledon in 1992. He said dating her was > "like wearing hot lava". Who? Andre Agassi > E2. In the mid-1960s Streisand dated this quarterback, most > famous for leading the New York Jets to victory in Super > Bowl III. Name him. Joe Namath > the Academy Award for Best Actress in a rare tie. Barbra won > for the movie version of "Funny Girl". Name the movie that > gave Hepburn the tie. "The Lion in Winter" > F2. Please decode the rot13 only after you have finished with > the previous question. Juvpu uvfgbevpny svther qvq Xngunevar > Urcohea cbegenl va "Gur Yvba va Jvagre"? Eleanor of Aquitaine -- Joshua Kreitzer gromit82@hotmail.com |
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Aug 22 04:08AM Rotating Quiz #302 is over and the winner is Stephen Perry with a perfect score. He may set RQ #303. The theme was things that are or sound like the names of computer programming languages. > news; the Greeks placed it in Medusa's head and the Hebrew name > translates as "Satan's head." It's commonly known today by its Arabic > name, which is? Algol > this huge supposed scientific breakthrough. No one could reproduce > their results and while a few people still work on this today, most > people in the field think there's nothing to it. cold fusion Cold Fusion is not precisely a programming language, but close enough. I couldn't not use it. > 3. The most populous island in the world. Java > 4. This formerly common viral disease has as one of its chief symptoms > the swelling of the parotid salivary glands. mumps > 5. This 17th-century French thinker made contributions to theology, > the physical sciences, and mathematics. Among the latter was the first > work on probability theory, about which he corresponded with Fermat. Blaise Pascal > except for several Marx Brothers pictures. However, he wrote a number > of notable songs, many in partnership with Bert Kalmar. (The answer is > his professional name, not his original name.) Harry Ruby > 7. Edinburgh lies on the southern edge of this large estuary. The Firth of Forth. I am awarding 1 point for "Forth" and "Fourth." > 8. This 18th-century opera house in Milan is one of the best-known in > the world. La Scala > 9. This novel by Vladimir Nabokov takes place on an alternate Earth > and is primarily concerned with an incestuous relationship. Ada > 10. This was the stage name of a country comedian and musician. She > appeared for many years at the Grand Ole Opry and on the television > show Hee Haw. Minnie Pearl Scores: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Total ---------------------------------- Stephen 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 20 Mark 2 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 0 0 14 Erland 2 2 2 2 2 0 1 2 0 0 13 Gareth 2 2 2 2 2 0 1 2 0 0 13 Calvin 0 2 2 2 2 0 2 2 0 0 12 Peter 0 0 2 0 2 0 1 2 0 0 7 Dan 0 2 0 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 6 -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dan Blum tool@panix.com "I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up." |
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Aug 21 12:16PM -0500 Mark Brader: > referred to by a different acronym, GRID, before researchers > realized that it was not limited to gay men. What did GRID > stand for? Gay-Related Immune Deficiency. 4 for Dan Tilque. 3 for Pete and Jason. > a doctor threatened with eviction from his home because he > was treating AIDS patients. Within one year, when was that > lawsuit filed? 1983 (accepting 1982-84). 2 for Pete. > 3. The retrovirus that causes AIDS, now called HIV, was identified > in 1983. In which country did researchers first discover it? France. 4 for Dan Tilque. 2 for Pete. > his allies and he was ousted from the organization in 1983. > He later wrote "The Normal Heart", a semi-autobiographical play > about the early days of the crisis. Name him. Larry Kramer. 4 for Dan Blum and Jason. > new activist group whose goals were explicitly political. > They organized many successful protests against the FDA, the > CDC, and the Catholic Church (among others). Name the group. AIDS Coalition To Unleash Power -- ACT UP. 4 for Dan Blum and Jason. > community attempted to bar him from returning to school in 1985. > His family was threatened and his home shot at. He died of > AIDS-related complications in 1988. Who was he? Ryan White. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Pete, and Jason. > got AIDS, and Trump dumped him after learning this. In 1986 > he was disbarred for unethical acts as a lawyer, and he died > of the disease less than 6 weeks later. Name him. Roy Cohn. 4 for Joshua, Dan Blum, Pete, and Jason. > with the deadly toll of AIDS on society. As of 2016, it is the > largest piece of communal art in the world and weighs 54 tons. > What *type* of artwork is it? A quilt -- the NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Pete, and Jason. > went on to the unprecedented step of mailing an informational > package to every household in the United States about HIV and > AIDS transmission. Name this Surgeon-General. C. Everett Koop. 4 for everyone -- Erland, Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, Pete, and Jason. > low even if "the male partner is infected". <answer 5> protested > at the magazine's offices and the magazine eventually retracted > the article. Name the magazine. "Cosmopolitan". 4 for Dan Tilque and Pete. 2 for Dan Blum. > 1. Jack Kirby: probably the most influential superhero comic artist > of all time, he co-created Captain America, the Hulk, Black > Panther, and the original X-Men, among others. #16. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, and Dan Blum. > 2. Steve Ditko: the co-creator of Spider-Man, known both for his > psychedelic landscapes and his weird libertarian political > beliefs. #2. 4 for Joshua, Dan Tilque, Dan Blum, and Jason. > 3. Jim Aparo: DC Comics' most important and reliable artist of > the 1970s and '80s, and considered one of the iconic Batman > artists. #13. 4 for Jason. 2 for Joshua. > 4. George Perez: Most famous for his runs on "The Avengers", "Crisis > on Infinite Earths", and "Wonder Woman", Perez's neo-classical > superhero style has made him a fan favorite for over forty years. #3. 4 for Dan Tilque. 2 for Joshua. > 5. Darwyn Cooke: this Torontonian artist won numerous Eisner, > Harvey, and Joe Schuster awards for his elegant, cartoony style. #11. 4 for Erland. 3 for Dan Blum. > 6. Jeff Smith: also a Harvey and Eisner winner, best known for his > long-form masterwork "Bone", but also happy to work on corporate > properties. #6. 4 for Joshua and Dan Blum. > to Watch Out For", she has since published two graphic novels > about her childhood, one of which was adapted into a Tony-award > winning play. #15. (The play was adapted from "Fun Home", shown.) 4 for Dan Blum. 3 for Joshua. > 8. Jillian Tamaki: Winner of the Caldecott Award and a Governor- > General's Award for children's illustration, she works primarily > with her writer sister Mariko. #7. 4 for Jason. 3 for Dan Blum. > 9. Mike Mignola: Best known for creating properties which have > spawned numerous successful movies, his style has been described > as "German expressionism meets Jack Kirby". #8. 4 for Dan Blum and Jason. 3 for Joshua. > 10. Fiona Staples: This Calgarian is considered one of the best > artists working today, on books such as Saga and the recent > reboot of "Archie". #4. 4 for Dan Blum. 2 for Joshua. > their names and identify which picture they drew, with no further > information, for fun, but for no points. > 11. John Byrne. #10. > 12. Kate Beaton. #12. > 13. Dan DeCarlo. #14. Joshua got this. > 14. Neal Adams. #5. > 15. Carl Barks. #9. Joshua got this. > 16. Amanda Conner. #18. > 17. Frank Miller. #17. > 18. Curt Swan. #1. Scores, if there are no errors: GAME 3 ROUNDS-> 2 3 4 6 7 8 BEST TOPICS-> Geo Ent Sci Mis His Art FOUR Dan Blum 12 24 23 4 26 30 103 Joshua Kreitzer 20 36 0 4 16 24 96 Stephen Perry -- -- 40 32 -- -- 72 Dan Tilque 0 8 8 0 20 12 48 Pete Gayde 0 8 6 4 27 0 45 "Calvin" 24 20 -- -- -- -- 44 Jason Kreitzer -- -- -- -- 27 16 43 Erland Sommarskog 16 0 -- -- 4 4 24 -- Mark Brader | "Continuing to be predictable, I looked at Wikipedia Toronto | and saw that some people agree with you msb@vex.net | and some don't." --Jerry Friedman My text in this article is in the public domain. |
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Aug 21 08:54PM +0200 >> AIDS transmission. Name this Surgeon-General. > C. Everett Koop. 4 for everyone -- Erland, Joshua, Dan Tilque, > Dan Blum, Pete, and Jason. As a piece of curio: the exactly only reason I knew this guys name is that Frank Zappa wrote a song about him and where his name and title is mentioned. The song was entitled "Promiscuous" and appeared on his album "Broadway the Hard Way". |
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Aug 21 03:29PM -0500 Mark Brader: >>> Name this Surgeon-General. >> C. Everett Koop. 4 for everyone... Erland Sommarskog: > As a piece of curio: the exactly only reason I knew this guys name is > that Frank Zappa wrote a song about him... He's probably better known than any US Surgeon-General before or since. Using this uniform for his public appearances didn't hurt: http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/rulesforengagement/social/Koop_Testify.jpg http://padresteve.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/c-everett-koop-1db591308d7eb474.jpg -- Mark Brader | Moreover, as experts, we... deserve certain courtesies, Toronto | like high rates of pay, and blind trust in our competence msb@vex.net | on the part of John Q. Public. --Geoffrey K. Pullum |
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