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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jun 23 05:02PM -0500

Welcome to Rotating Quiz #295, titled "Born in 1819".
 
I'd like to thank Erland Sommarskog for running RQ 294 and for
writing a contest that allowed me to win. The winner of RQ 295,
in turn, will be the first choice to set RQ 296, in whatever manner
they prefer.
 
Please answer these questions based only on your own knowledge;
please post a single message with your answers, quoting the
questions you are answering and placing your answer below each one.
You have until Thursday, June 28 (by Toronto time, zone -4),
to post your answers -- that's 5 days and about 6 hours from the
time of posting.
 
Scores on this quiz will be out of 20 or more, depending on how
many correct answers question #13 has.
 
As usual, you only get one guess at each answer. Some questions
require you to give more than one answer and may allow for more
answers than the number of points available. Give extra answers
if you want to show off. However, there is a penalty of 1 point
for wrong answers -- to a maximum of 1 penalty point per question
and then only if you also gave a correct answer on that question.
 
In case of a tie, the first tiebreaker is correct spelling and
capitalization; the second tiebreaker is who scored on the hardest
questions; and the third tiebreaker is who posted first.
 
 
* Places
 
1. Two states of Australia are named after the same person.
Name both of them *and* the capital of each one. 1 point
per state.
 
2. Two capital cities in Canada are also named after that same
person. Name both of them *and* say what they are the capital
of. Do not use abbreviations. 1 point per city.
 
After you've finished with those, you'll've figured out who we're
talking about, so next you can decode the rot13 to see the rest
of the questions.
 
 
* Ubyvqnlf
 
3. Va Pnanqn, jung jnf gur genqvgvbany qngr bs Ivpgbevn Qnl?
1 cbvag.
 
4. Jura vf gur ubyvqnl abj bofreirq? 1 cbvag.
 
 
* Oevgvfu Envyjnlf
 
5. Va Ybaqba, Ratynaq, Ivpgbevn Fgngvba pbafvfgf bs gjb frcnengr
fgehpgherf funevat n pbzzba jnyy, bevtvanyyl ohvyg naq bcrengrq
ol qvssrerag envyjnlf. Gurl ner xabja nf gur gjb "fvqrf"
bs gur fgngvba. Anzr gurz sbe 1 cbvag rnpu.
 
6. Nqwnprag gb guvf fgngvba vf Ivpgbevn fgngvba ba gur Ybaqba
Haqretebhaq. Anzr nyy gur Haqretebhaq yvarf freivat vg, sbe
1 cbvag rnpu gb n znkvzhz bs 2.

Sbe dhrfgvbaf #5-6, zbfg bs gur npprcgnoyr nafjref ner fubegrarq sebz
bevtvany anzrf gung unq nqqvgvbany jbeqf. Vs lbh jnag gb fubj bss,
sbe sha ohg sbe ab rkgen cbvagf, tvir nal be nyy bs gur shyy anzrf.
 
 
* Zvyvgnel Njneqf
 
7. Tvir gur rknpg anzr bs gur uvturfg zrqny sbe tnyynagel va gur
Oevgvfu zvyvgnel. 1 cbvag.
 
8. Jung grkg vf ba gur zrqny? 1 cbvag.
 
 
* Ragregnvazrag
 
9. Jub cynlrq/cynlf Dhrra Ivpgbevn va gur sbyybjvat zbivr be GI
cebqhpgvbaf? 1 cbvag cre *npgerff* gb n znkvzhz bs 3, ohg
lbh zhfg pbeerpgyl vqragvsl gur pbeerfcbaqvat gvgyr be gvgyrf.
 
"Qvfenryv" (1929); "Ivpgbevn gur Terng" (1937) naq "Dhrra bs
Qrfgval" (1938); "Zäqpurawnuer rvare Xöavtva" (1954), xabja
va Ratyvfu nf "Gur Fgbel bs Ivpxvr" be "Ivpgbevn va Qbire";
"Ivpgbevn Ertvan" (1961); "Gur Jebat Obk" (1966), jurer fur'f
frra va gur cebybthr; "Zef. Oebja" (1997) naq "Ivpgbevn &
Noqhy" (2017); "Ivpgbevn & Nyoreg" (2001); "Gur Lbhat Ivpgbevn"
(2009); naq "Ivpgbevn" (GI frevrf 2016-).
 
 
10. Jub jebgr gurfr ylevpf? 1 cbvag cre nhgube.
 
Pnanqn gb Vaqvn,
Nhfgenyvn gb Pbeajnyy,
Fvatncber gb Ubat Xbat,
Sebz gur Jrfg gb gur Rnfg,
Sebz gur evpu gb gur cbbe,
Ivpgbevn ybirq gurz nyy.
Ivpgbevn, Ivpgbevn, Ivpgbevn, 'gbevn,
Ivpgbevn, Ivpgbevn, Ivpgbevn.
 
Dhrra Ivpgbevn,
Gur Gjragvrgu Praghel orybatf gb lbh naq zr.
Yrg hf or gjb frirer tvnagf abg yrff ybaryl sbe bhe cnegarefuvc,
Jub qvfpbybe grfg ghorf va gur unyyf bs Fpvrapr,
Jub ghea hc hajrypbzr ng rirel Jbeyq'f Snve,
Urnil jvgu cebireof naq pbeerpgvbaf,
Pbashfvat gur fgne-qnmrq gbhevfgf
Jvgu bhe vapbzcnenoyr frafr bs ybff.
 
 
* Urefrys
 
11. Jung jnf Dhrra Ivpgbevn'f svefg anzr? 1 cbvag.
 
12. Jung qvq Rqjneq Bksbeq qb va 1840 gung trgf uvz vagb guvf dhvm?
1 cbvag.
 
 
* Ure Qrfpraqnagf
 
13. Gb qngr, nyy xvatf naq dhrraf bs gur HX fvapr Dhrra Ivpgbevn
unir orra ure qrfpraqnagf. Juvpu bs ure puvyqera rvgure gbbx
gur Oevgvfu guebar be unq qrfpraqnagf jub qvq? 1 cbvag cre
eryrinag puvyq.
 
14. Nabgure bs ure puvyqera jnf arire dhrra bs gur HX, ohg qvq
orpbzr n dhrra naq rzcerff ol zneevntr. Vqragvsl ure ol anzr,
ol jub fur zneevrq, *naq* ol jurer fur jnf dhrra naq rzcerff bs.
1 cbvag cre eryrinag snpg gb n znkvzhz bs 2.
 
 
Have fun.
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Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jun 24 11:30AM +0200

> 1. Two states of Australia are named after the same person.
> Name both of them *and* the capital of each one. 1 point
> per state.
 
Queesland and Brisbane
Victoria and Melbourne

> 2. Two capital cities in Canada are also named after that same
> person. Name both of them *and* say what they are the capital
> of. Do not use abbreviations. 1 point per city.
 
Victoria, British Columbia
Regina, Alberta

> 6. Nqwnprag gb guvf fgngvba vf Ivpgbevn fgngvba ba gur Ybaqba
> Haqretebhaq. Anzr nyy gur Haqretebhaq yvarf freivat vg, sbe
> 1 cbvag rnpu gb n znkvzhz bs 2.
 
Paddington, District
 

> orpbzr n dhrra naq rzcerff ol zneevntr. Vqragvsl ure ol anzr,
> ol jub fur zneevrq, *naq* ol jurer fur jnf dhrra naq rzcerff bs.
> 1 cbvag cre eryrinag snpg gb n znkvzhz bs 2.
 
Kaiser William I of Germany
Pete Gayde <pagrsg@wowway.com>: Jun 24 01:20AM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:w6ydnVXBLKJrfrHGnZ2dnUU7-
> in this ancient-history triple?
 
> 1. Which Greek philosopher founded the Peripatetic school in the
> Lyceum, circa 334 BC?
 
Socrates; Plato
 
 
> 2. Which Greek mathematician is said to have taken to the streets
> of Syracuse shouting "Eureka"?
 
Pythagorus; Euclid
 
 
> 3. According to Greek mythology, who was the leader of the united
> Greek army in the Trojan War?
 
Ulysses
 
> (Not necessarily in English.)
 
> 4. "To the strongest!" -- when he was asked who his empire should
> go to after his death.
 
Alexander the Great
 
 
> 5. "I have not told half of what I saw" -- in 1324.
 
> 6. "I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach
> the quality it should have" -- in 1519.
 
Shakespeare; Christopher Columbus
 
> What collective name is used for this leaked information?
 
> 11. In 1968, who delivered what is known as the "I've Been to the
> Mountaintop" speech?
 
Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
> visit to pay their respects.
 
> 13. Name the dictator you can visit in Red Square. He used to have
> a compatriot beside him, but that was only for 8 years or so.
 
Lenin
 
 
> 14. Name the dictator you can visit in Ba Dinh Square.
 
Ho Chi Minh
 
 
> 15. Name the dictator you can visit in the mausoleum located in a
> square that was the site of a major protest and massacre in 1989.
 
Mao Zedong
 
 
> 16. If you want to show off, for fun but for no points, name
> the other three. Try to see them all! Hint: Two are in the
> same country.
 
Pete Gayde
Jason Kreitzer <jk71875@gmail.com>: Jun 23 10:17PM -0700

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 7:56:44 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> in this ancient-history triple?
 
> 1. Which Greek philosopher founded the Peripatetic school in the
> Lyceum, circa 334 BC?
Aristotle
> 2. Which Greek mathematician is said to have taken to the streets
> of Syracuse shouting "Eureka"?
Euclid
> What collective name is used for this leaked information?
 
> 11. In 1968, who delivered what is known as the "I've Been to the
> Mountaintop" speech?
Martin Luther King, Jr.
> visit to pay their respects.
 
> 13. Name the dictator you can visit in Red Square. He used to have
> a compatriot beside him, but that was only for 8 years or so.
Lenin
> 14. Name the dictator you can visit in Ba Dinh Square.
Ho Chi Minh?
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jun 23 11:24PM +0200

Rotating Quiz 294 is over, and the winner is MARK BRADER! Mark, you
free to start RQ295 at any time.
 
Here is the scoreboard:
 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Total
Mark Brader 32 32 32 5 17 22 0 22 162
Dan Tilque 27 17 32 10 0 32 10 12 140
Calvin 0 10 32  0 22 32 10 17 123
Joshua Kreitzer 0 0 0 10 32 0 10 27 79
 
Each answer is preceded by a sequence of letters detailing which
entrant who answered what. Text in parenthesis gives details about
the answer, while text in brackets explain why I ruled that answer
as inocrrect.
 
1) Give one or more independent states of which the name normally used for
the state coincides with the normally used name of an entity in a
neighbouring state. "Entity" here can be an existing administrative
division, or merely a historical region, but it cannot be a strictly
geographical feature like a river or a lake.

The names do not have to match exactly, as different forms
of the same name may be in use on different sides of the border.
However, none of the names may include further qualifying parts.
For instance, Lower Saxland would not be a correct answer, even
if there is an entity called Saxland in a neighbouring state.
 
The question relates to the official situation at the time the
quiz is posted.
 
Correct answers given:
M - Canada (unincorporated place in Kansas, USA);
M - Ecuador (place spelled Equador in Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil);
D - Guyana (Region Guayana in Venzuela. I did not know about this one,
but research made it clear to me that they are variations
of the same name.)
MD - Luxembourg (province of Belgium);
MDC - Macedonia (province in Greece);
D - Mexico (Town in New York State, USA)
M - Uruguay (department in Entre Rios, Argentina).
 
Incorrect answers given:
C - Britain (also region in France)
[In English the name of the region is Brittany. In French the name
is Bretagne, but to my knowing the UK is never referred to as
only Bretagne in French, but always as Grande Bretagne.]
C - Bolivia (also state in Venezuela) [Not neighbouring states, and
name of state in Venezuela is Bolívar.]
 
Other correct answers I know of:
Moldova (Historic region Moldavia in Romania; Moldova is Romanian
for Moldavia.)
Azerbaijan (Region in Iran. Which for a short period in 1946 was
a correct answer to this question, when it was independent.)
Congo x 2
 
The question is of course inspired by the Greek bickering with
their norhtern neightbour. But as I was composing the quiz, I saw
a news flash that Macedonia will soon be an incorrect answer. To
wit, Macedonia has agreed to change the name to North Macedonia,
and Greece will then give up their veto against Macedonia in the
EU and NATO. That was when I added the last paragraph to the
question.
 
 
....................................................................
 
 
2) Give one or more administrative entities (country, county, city etc)
with a population of at least 20000 people of which the name includes
an uppercase letter which is directly preceded and succeeded by a
lowercase letter. That is, there is no space or other punctuation in
this sequence of three letters.
 
Correct answers given:
C - eSwatini (The country formerly known as Swaziland.)
D - MacArthur (Municipality, Leyte, Philippines)
M - McAllen (City, Texas)
M - McKinney (City, Texas).
M - McCurtain (County, Oklahoma),
M - McHenry (County, Illinois)
M - McLennan (County, Texas)
D - SeaTac (City, Washington state)
 
The place that inspired me to this question is SeaTac, a city that
I pass through a few times every year, as this is where the
Seattle-Tacoma International Airport is located. For a long time
it was only the answer I could think of until I relaxed the rules
so that the South-African province KwaZulu-Natal could fit. When
I read about eSwatini in the news, I relaxed the rules further to
permit it. It was only recently that I realised that Mc would be
productive, but I decided not to make any special rule about that.
 
I recently visited Ireland, and I went to this very charming town
of which the name in Irish is Cionn tSáile (Kinsale in English).
However, it falls below the population limit in the question.
 
..................................................................
 
3) Name a movie, or a series of movies, that has been the direct
source of inspiration of a pinball game.
 
Correct answers given:
M - Barb Wire
M - Demolition Man
MC - Godzilla
M - Johnny Mnemonic
M - Stargate
D - Predator
D - Star Wars
D - Jaws
D - Back to the Future
D - E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
C - The Big Lebowski
C - Terminator 3
C - Lost in Space
C - Dirty Harry
 
I was not surprised to see that were many of them. Of the above I
have encountered Star Wars and Dirty Harry. One that I have played
lot (because we used to have it our office), but not given is
Indiana Jones.
 
When checking the answers I found that Predator appears to have
been quite a scandal in the Pinball world, where people pre-ordered
and paid for the game, but the game was never delivered. But since
I had no restriction that the pinball game should be commercially
available and I did see a photo with a prototype from a exposition,
I approved it.

..............................................................
 
4) Name or describe a situation where an independent state lost the
territory of its capital for a period of at least ten years, but
the state continued to exist (with a new capital elsewhere) for
at least fifteen years after the old capital had been lost. (You
can refer to this situation as you like, for instance by giving
name of the city or the states involved together with the approximate
year for the conquest. If I cannot recognize the scene, I may
request that you supply more information.)
 
Correct answers given:
MDJ - Republic of China (Nanjing -> Taipei, 1949)
 
Incorrect answers given:
M - Roman Empire (Rome, Ravenna, etc. -> Constantinople)
C - Israel
C - Germany
 
Republic of China was an unexpected answer for me, because my idea
was that the territory was lost to another existing state, but I did
not say this in the question, so I had to approve it.
 
Roman Empire is incorrect, becuase the move to other captials was
before the territory of Rome was lost.
 
What Calvin had in mind with Israel I don't know, but modern Israel
has never lost any territory. Did something of the kind happen in
biblical times?
 
As for Germany, you could argue that this is similar to Republic of
China, but I don't think Bundesrepublik Deutschland is a direct
continuation of the Deutches Reich in the same manner. And BRD did
include a piece of Berlin.
 
Here are the cases I know of:
1127) The Jin dynasty of Jurchens captures Kaifeng, the capital
of the Song dynasty of China who sets up their new capital at
present-day Hangzhou.
1204) The Fourth Crusade captures Constatinople and sets up the
Latin Empire. Byzantine Empire moves its capital to Nicaea.
around 1460) The Teutonic Order loses their capital Marienburg to
Poland as the result of a longer war and Königsberg becomes
the new capital. It is disuputable, though, since they sold
the castle already fairly early in the war.
1922) Polish free troops takes Vilnius from Lithuania which has to
set up their capital in Kaunas.
 
I also had in mind the Mongols destruction of the Jurchens captial
in 1215, located the site of present-day Beijing, but looking it up
now, I see that the Jurchens had moved their captial to Kaifeng the
year before, and the destruction was in reaction to this move. In
1232, the Jurchens also lost Kaifeng and moved to yet a new capital,
but it only took five more years before the Mongols had conquered
them entirely, so that does not qualify.
 
 
...................................................................
 
 
5) Name a person born after AD1000 who was the head of state of
two different independent states at different points in time,
but not holding both positions simultaneously. In the case of
split of mergers of states, a person who was head of state at the
time of the split/merger qualifies only if he/she did not become
head of state of any of the new states created after at least one
year after the split/merge.
 
Correct answers given:
M - Adolphe (Nassau, 1839-1866, Luxembourg 1890-1905)
C - Simón Bolívar (Venezuela 1813-1814, Bolivia 1825)
J - Joseph Bonaparte (Naples 1806-1808, Spain, 1808-1813)
CJ - Elizabeth II (Pakistan 1953-1956, St Kitts and Nevis 1983-present)
J - Francis (Lorraine 1729-1737, Tuscany 1737-1765)
C - Marthinus Wessel Pretorius (Orange Free State 1860-1863,
Republic of South Africa 1864-1871)
J - Puyi (China 1908-1912, Manchukuo 1932-1945)
MJ - Stanislaus (Poland 1704-1709, 1733-1766, Lorraine, 1737-1736).
 
I did not of know or think of any of the above.
 
Simón Bolívar is tricky as he when he became president of Perú and
Bolivia, he was already president of Gran Colombia which was a direct
contiuation of his presidency in Venezuela before the creation of
Gran Colombia. But as he also was president of Venezuela in a disjunct
period a few years earlier, I decided that I could not rule it as
incorrect.
 
You can argue the independentness of some of the states above. Both
Bonaparte and Puyi in Manchukuo were puppet regimes. However, it was
my intention to approve of states of marginal recognition, and one of
my answers below is such a case. Tuscany and Lorraine were part of the
Holy Roman Empire, but in my opinion HRE at this stage in history was
a super-national body, somewhat akin to the European Union today.
 
In my Rare Entries quiz some year ago I had a similar question, but
then I asked about people who were head of state simultaneously in
two states, else independent from each other. Interesting enough, no
less that three persons above qualifies for that question as well.
I have already discussed Bolívar, and QEII needs no furhter presentation.
Pretorious was first president of South Africa and was then also
elected president of the Orange Free State, but that was impopular
in RSA, so he had to step down. But But once he had stepped down
from the Orange Free State, he was later re-elected in South Africa.
 
Myself, I had these three persons i mind:
Stipe Mesic (Jugoslavia 1991, Croatia 2000-2010)
Robert Kocharian (Nagorno-Karabach 1994-1997, Aremenia 1998-2008)
Christian Frederick (Norway 1814, Denmark 1839-1848)
 
N-K is very much a self-proclaimed state, but recognised as independent
by, well, Armenia. At least technically.
 
In 1814, Norway proclaimed indpendence, after having been cut off
from Denmark by the British navy for more than ten years. Being
in Christiana, Christian Frederick was a suitable person to be king.
However, Denmark had already the year before agree to cede Norway
to Sweden in exchange for Pommerania. Sweden wanted its bouty and
invaded. The young state did not have much to defend itself.
 
......................................................................
 
6) In which countries are the two largest cities adjacent to each other
or part of the same metropolitan area?
 
Correct answers given:
C - Benin (Cotonou, Porto Novo)
D - Finland (Helsinki, Esbo)
MD - Japan (Tokyo, Yokohama)
C - Liechtenstein (Schaan, Vaduz)
C - Malta (Birkirkara, Mosta)
C - Philippines (Quezon City, Manilla)
MD - Sri Lanka (Colombo, Kaduwela)
MC - Sudan (Khartoum, Omdurman)
D - Suriname (Paramaribo, Koewarsan)
D - Uganda (Kampala, Nansana)
 
Two more answers I know of are Iceland and Chile. I was also under
the impression that Monaco is a correct answer, but when investigating,
I find that it is a single city divided into quartiers.
 
...................................................................
 
7) There are many cases of new states that have arisen because of
secession, liberation wars, amicable splits etc. But can you name an
independent state that was created after 1800 AD after having been more
or less involuntarily kicked out from a larger state? For the purpose
of this question, the states created as part of the break of the Soviet
Union do not qualify.
 
Correct answers given:
DCJ - Singapore (Kicked out from the Malaysian Federation)
 
Incorrect answers given:
M - Somaliland [quoting Wikipedia "unilaterally declared independence
from Somalia"]
 
I don't know of any other correct answer, but I figured that there
might be some colony that was ejected by its colonial master.
 
Dan mentioned that the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire could
lead to a number of cases, but he argued that these states already
were de facto independent, and as I discussed above, I agree. He also
mentioned the possibilty of the Bantustans setup by the apartheid
regime of South Africa, but their actual independence can be questioned.
 
....................................................................
 
8) Name a person who have won the same sport title at least eleven
times. The title must be contested at most once per year, and
the contenders for the title must generally be professionals.
The title can be contested in a single tournament or similar, or
it can be contested in a series of competition, matches etc that
run for the better part of the year. In case of leagues or similar,
only the final title counts, not any regional titles achieved along
the way to the final game. In case of team sports, the person
may have achieved the title playing for different teams.
 
Correct answers given:
MJ - Ken Climo (12 PDGA Pro World Championship, disc golf)
MC - Rafael Nadal (11 French Open, tennis)
MDJ - Henry Richard (11 Stanley Cup, ice hockey)
MDJ - Bill Russell (11 NBA championships, basketball)
DJ - Martina Navratilova (11 WTA Finals doubles, tennis)
C - Heather McKay (16 British open, squash)
C - Gary Player (13 South Africa Open, golf)
 
 
Incorrect answers given:
D - Louise Brough (12 US Open, double, Tennis)
C - Roy Chipolina (11 Gibraltar Premier Division, football)
M - Margaret Court (11 Austrialian Open, tennis)
D - Margaret Osborne duPont (13 US Open, doubles, Tennis)
 
The problem with all these persons is that they all disqualify on
the rule that the title is to be contested by professionals. Until
1967, the Grand Slam tournaments were not open to professionals
and Brough and Osborne duPont won all their titles before 1968
when the open era began. Court did win a few titles in the open
era but not 11.
 
I did not research it vigorously, but I doubt that small Gibraltar
is able to sustain its own professional league. According to
Wikipedia, Chipolina works as a customs officer.
 
This was a question I added in the last minute, inspired by Rafael
Nadal's recent victory in French Open.
 
................................................................
 
Thanks to everyone for playing!
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Jun 23 04:56PM -0500

Erland Sommarskog:
> J - Joseph Bonaparte (Naples 1806-1808, Spain, 1808-1813)
...
> You can argue the independentness of some of the states above. Both
> Bonaparte and Puyi in Manchukuo were puppet regimes...
 
(Grumble. I could've given that answer but didn't think it qualified.)
 
> Dan Tilque 27 17 32 10 0 32 10 12 140
> Calvin 0 10 32 0 22 32 10 17 123
> Joshua Kreitzer 0 0 0 10 32 0 10 27 79
 
Oh, well that's all right, then!
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