Monday, October 23, 2017

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tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Oct 22 02:22PM

> was stranded after a failed expedition to Mars. On his return
> to Earth 25 years later, he tries to learn the customs, but
> then realizes he has special powers.
 
Stranger in a Strange Land
 
> honesty. In this novel, the protagonist Andrew Wiggin travels
> to the planet of Lusitania, and while there performs this
> role twice.
 
Speaker for the Dead
 
> him of his fortune for him to have, and after careful planning
> Dant?s seeks revenge on the man who wronged him. The novel's
> title describes Dant?s's position at the end of the story.
 
The Count of Monte Cristo
 
> taken in by the French clergy. He falls in love with a local
> gypsy and tries to save her life after she is sentenced to
> death by the jealous Frollo.
 
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
 
> during World War II. To treat his injuries, he is taken to an
> Italian monastery serving as a hospital, and over the course
> of the novel we learn of his past before and during the war.
 
The English Patient
 
> local named Charles Smithson, and depending on the ending of
> the book (there are three), they may or may not live happily
> ever after.
 
The French Lieutenant's Woman
 
> the work of supposed double agent Hans-Dieter Mundt. Over the
> course of his mission he learns its true nature, leading to
> him question the morality and ultimate goal of each spy agency.
 
The Trapeze Artist
 
> Bond sets off to the Caribbean to kill the title character --
> Francisco Scaramanga, a Cuban assassin responsible for the
> deaths of a number of British agents.
 
The Man With the Golden Gun
 
> black nationalist Ras the Destroyer, he distrusts them. He tries
> to hide from them by disguising himself, but once riots erupt in
> Harlem, he ends up killing Ras before being locked in a coal bin.
 
The Invisible Man
 
> * Game 3, Round 6 - Sports - Bodies
 
> 1. FEI.
 
equestrian
 
> 2. FIBA ["FEE-ba"].
 
basketball
 
> 3. FIFA ["FEE-fa"].
 
soccer
 
> 4. FIG.
 
golf
 
> 7. FIL.
 
luge
 
> 8. FIS.
 
skiing
 
> 9. ISU.
 
skeleton
 
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_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Oct 22 02:24PM

> title is "Ringaren i Notre-Dame". "Ringer" did not sound exactly right, but
> I could not think of anything else. As the English title was explicitly ask
> for, there is no reason to award any points for my answer.
 
"Bell-ringer" would be the best English equivalent; "ringer" as used
for a person these days would mean "someone in a competition who is
unexpectedly good." (It could be used for an inanimate object that
rings in some cases.)
 
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_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
Joshua Kreitzer <gromit82@hotmail.com>: Oct 22 03:40PM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:MpqdnQUZTO9B2nHEnZ2dnUU7-
> was stranded after a failed expedition to Mars. On his return
> to Earth 25 years later, he tries to learn the customs, but
> then realizes he has special powers.
 
"Stranger in a Strange Land"
 
> honesty. In this novel, the protagonist Andrew Wiggin travels
> to the planet of Lusitania, and while there performs this
> role twice.
 
"Speaker for the Dead"

> him of his fortune for him to have, and after careful planning
> Dantès seeks revenge on the man who wronged him. The novel's
> title describes Dantès's position at the end of the story.
 
"The Man in the Iron Mask"
 
> taken in by the French clergy. He falls in love with a local
> gypsy and tries to save her life after she is sentenced to
> death by the jealous Frollo.
 
"The Hunchback of Notre Dame"
 
> during World War II. To treat his injuries, he is taken to an
> Italian monastery serving as a hospital, and over the course
> of the novel we learn of his past before and during the war.
 
"The English Patient"
 
> local named Charles Smithson, and depending on the ending of
> the book (there are three), they may or may not live happily
> ever after.
 
"The French Lieutenant's Woman"
 
> the work of supposed double agent Hans-Dieter Mundt. Over the
> course of his mission he learns its true nature, leading to
> him question the morality and ultimate goal of each spy agency.
 
"The Spy Who Came in From the Cold"

> Bond sets off to the Caribbean to kill the title character --
> Francisco Scaramanga, a Cuban assassin responsible for the
> deaths of a number of British agents.
 
"The Man with the Golden Gun"
 
> Africa, who is sentenced to death after killing an Arab in
> Algiers. The novel revolves around his thoughts while waiting
> in prison.
 
"The Stranger"
 
> black nationalist Ras the Destroyer, he distrusts them. He tries
> to hide from them by disguising himself, but once riots erupt in
> Harlem, he ends up killing Ras before being locked in a coal bin.
 
"Invisible Man"

> in English.
 
> The sports for #1-6 are contested at the summer Olympic Games.
 
> 1. FEI.
 
equestrian sport
 
> 2. FIBA ["FEE-ba"].
 
basketball
 
> 3. FIFA ["FEE-fa"].
 
soccer
 
> 4. FIG.
 
gymnastics
 
> 5. FINA ["FEE-na"].
 
swimming
 
> 6. IAAF.
 
track and field

> And #7-10 would be seen at the Winter Olympics.
 
> 7. FIL.
 
luge
 
> 8. FIS.
 
skiing
 
> 9. ISU.
 
skating
 
> 10. WCF.
 
curling

--
Joshua Kreitzer
gromit82@hotmail.com
swp <stephen.w.perry@gmail.com>: Oct 22 11:36AM -0700

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 3:25:21 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2017-10-02,
> and should be interpreted accordingly.
 
noted
 
> was stranded after a failed expedition to Mars. On his return
> to Earth 25 years later, he tries to learn the customs, but
> then realizes he has special powers.
 
stranger in a strange land
 
> honesty. In this novel, the protagonist Andrew Wiggin travels
> to the planet of Lusitania, and while there performs this
> role twice.
 
speaker for the dead
 
> him of his fortune for him to have, and after careful planning
> Dantès seeks revenge on the man who wronged him. The novel's
> title describes Dantès's position at the end of the story.
 
the count of monte cristo
 
> taken in by the French clergy. He falls in love with a local
> gypsy and tries to save her life after she is sentenced to
> death by the jealous Frollo.
 
the hunchback of notre dame
 
> during World War II. To treat his injuries, he is taken to an
> Italian monastery serving as a hospital, and over the course
> of the novel we learn of his past before and during the war.
 
the english patient
 
> local named Charles Smithson, and depending on the ending of
> the book (there are three), they may or may not live happily
> ever after.
 
the french lieutenant's woman
 
> the work of supposed double agent Hans-Dieter Mundt. Over the
> course of his mission he learns its true nature, leading to
> him question the morality and ultimate goal of each spy agency.
 
the spy who came in from the cold
 
> Bond sets off to the Caribbean to kill the title character --
> Francisco Scaramanga, a Cuban assassin responsible for the
> deaths of a number of British agents.
 
the man with the golden gun
 
> Africa, who is sentenced to death after killing an Arab in
> Algiers. The novel revolves around his thoughts while waiting
> in prison.
 
the stranger
 
> black nationalist Ras the Destroyer, he distrusts them. He tries
> to hide from them by disguising himself, but once riots erupt in
> Harlem, he ends up killing Ras before being locked in a coal bin.
 
invisible man
 
> in English.
 
> The sports for #1-6 are contested at the summer Olympic Games.
 
> 1. FEI.
 
equestrian riding
 
> 2. FIBA ["FEE-ba"].
 
basketball
 
> 3. FIFA ["FEE-fa"].
 
soccer
 
> 4. FIG.
 
gymnastics
 
> 5. FINA ["FEE-na"].
 
swimming
 
> 6. IAAF.
 
"athletics" (the doping scandal is still fresh in many minds)
 
 
> And #7-10 would be seen at the Winter Olympics.
 
> 7. FIL.
 
luge
 
> 8. FIS.
 
skiing
 
> 9. ISU.
 
ice skatinng
 
> 10. WCF.
 
curling
 
 
> After completing the round, please decode the rot13: If you just
> said "football" for any answer, of course you need to go back and
> make it more specific.
 
swp
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Oct 22 02:50PM -0500

Erland Sommarskog:
>>> The Ringer of Notre-Dame
 
>> Just in case if anyone wonders the where I got "ringer" from, the Swedish
>> title is "Ringaren i Notre-Dame"...
 
Yes, that was guessable.
 
Dan Blum:
> "Bell-ringer" would be the best English equivalent;
 
Agreed.
 
> "ringer" as used for a person these days would mean "someone in a
> competition who is unexpectedly good."
 
The underlying meaning is "impostor" -- someone competing under a
false name. For example, to conceal their ineligibility or to trick
the oddsmakers for betting on the contest. These days I think it
is more likely to be used jocularly, as in Dan's example.
 
A couple of years ago I was mentioning that at one of our trivia games
a team had had extra players available and had substituted one for
another in mid-game, which is permissible. I jocularly said that they
had "brought in a ringer" and the team's captain took it as an insult
-- he thought I was accusing them of cheating!
--
Mark Brader | "The right thinks the individual
Toronto | isn't important enough to make the decisions
msb@vex.net | and the left thinks that decisions are
| too important to be left to the individual." --Nick Atty
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Oct 22 08:12PM

> false name. For example, to conceal their ineligibility or to trick
> the oddsmakers for betting on the contest. These days I think it
> is more likely to be used jocularly, as in Dan's example.
 
It's not entirely clear to me where this meaning came from - as best I can
tell it's from "ring" as in "crime ring."
 
> another in mid-game, which is permissible. I jocularly said that they
> had "brought in a ringer" and the team's captain took it as an insult
> -- he thought I was accusing them of cheating!
 
I suspect that the relative obscurity of the derivation has lead to the
jocular meaning being more current, although obviously not everyone has
gotten that memo.
 
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Oct 22 11:08PM +0200

For what is worth, my quite extensive dictionary gives "[bell-]ringer" for
"ringare".
 
For English "ringer" it gives three meanings of which the first is
"ringare". The second is given as "spec. amer. slang" and translates to
"sportsman (race horse) who runs in a competition under false
presumption/identity." That may explain why the trivia captain got
upset over Mark's remark. The third meaning is in the expression "he is a
[dead] ringer for my brother".
 
The explanations on https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ringer
are similar.
 
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>: Oct 22 10:47PM +0100

> was stranded after a failed expedition to Mars. On his return
> to Earth 25 years later, he tries to learn the customs, but
> then realizes he has special powers.
 
Stranger in a Strange Land
 
> honesty. In this novel, the protagonist Andrew Wiggin travels
> to the planet of Lusitania, and while there performs this
> role twice.
 
Speaker For The Dead
 
> him of his fortune for him to have, and after careful planning
> Dantès seeks revenge on the man who wronged him. The novel's
> title describes Dantès's position at the end of the story.
 
The Count Of Monte Cristo
 
> taken in by the French clergy. He falls in love with a local
> gypsy and tries to save her life after she is sentenced to
> death by the jealous Frollo.
 
Notre Dame de Paris (or The Hunchback of Notre Dame, I guess)
 
> during World War II. To treat his injuries, he is taken to an
> Italian monastery serving as a hospital, and over the course
> of the novel we learn of his past before and during the war.
 
The English Patient
 
> local named Charles Smithson, and depending on the ending of
> the book (there are three), they may or may not live happily
> ever after.
 
The French Lieutenants Woman
 
> the work of supposed double agent Hans-Dieter Mundt. Over the
> course of his mission he learns its true nature, leading to
> him question the morality and ultimate goal of each spy agency.
 
The Spy Who Came In From The Cold
 
> Bond sets off to the Caribbean to kill the title character --
> Francisco Scaramanga, a Cuban assassin responsible for the
> deaths of a number of British agents.
 
The Man With The Golden Gun
 
> Africa, who is sentenced to death after killing an Arab in
> Algiers. The novel revolves around his thoughts while waiting
> in prison.
 
L'Etranger (The Stranger - Camus)
 
> black nationalist Ras the Destroyer, he distrusts them. He tries
> to hide from them by disguising himself, but once riots erupt in
> Harlem, he ends up killing Ras before being locked in a coal bin.
 
The Omega Man
 
> in English.
 
> The sports for #1-6 are contested at the summer Olympic Games.
 
> 1. FEI.
 
Equestrianism
 
> 2. FIBA ["FEE-ba"].
 
Basketball
 
> 3. FIFA ["FEE-fa"].
 
(The sport that almost the entire known world calls) Football
 
> 4. FIG.
 
Gymnastics?
 
> 5. FINA ["FEE-na"].
 
Swimming
 
> 6. IAAF.
 
(Track and Field) Athletics
 
> And #7-10 would be seen at the Winter Olympics.
 
> 7. FIL.
 
Luge
 
> 8. FIS.
 
Skiing. Skating
 
> 9. ISU.
 
Skiing. Skating
 
> 10. WCF.
 
Curling
Calvin <334152@gmail.com>: Oct 22 03:55PM -0700

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 5:25:21 PM UTC+10, Mark Brader wrote:
 
> during World War II. To treat his injuries, he is taken to an
> Italian monastery serving as a hospital, and over the course
> of the novel we learn of his past before and during the war.
 
The English Patient
 
> Bond sets off to the Caribbean to kill the title character --
> Francisco Scaramanga, a Cuban assassin responsible for the
> deaths of a number of British agents.
 
The Man with the Golden Gun
 
> in English.
 
> The sports for #1-6 are contested at the summer Olympic Games.
 
> 1. FEI.
 
Equestrian, Fencing
 
> 2. FIBA ["FEE-ba"].
 
Basketball
 
> 3. FIFA ["FEE-fa"].
 
Football (i.e. soccer)
 
> 4. FIG.
 
Gymnastics
 
> 5. FINA ["FEE-na"].
 
Swimming
Diving and maybe synchronised swimming too iirc
 
> 6. IAAF.
 
Athletics
 
> And #7-10 would be seen at the Winter Olympics.
 
> 7. FIL.
 
Luge?
 
> 8. FIS.
 
Skiing, skating
 
> 9. ISU.
 
Skiing, skating
 
> 10. WCF.
 
Curling?
 
cheers,
calvin
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Oct 22 11:31PM -0500

Mark Brader:
>> false name. For example, to conceal their ineligibility or to trick
>> the oddsmakers for betting on the contest. These days I think it
>> is more likely to be used jocularly, as in Dan's example.

Dan Blum:
> It's not entirely clear to me where this meaning came from - as best I can
> tell it's from "ring" as in "crime ring."

My guess is that it comes from "ringing in" -- maybe because you would
"ring in" the new year, you also "ring in" the new player under the name
of the old. Looking for support in dictionaries, I find that in Britain
"ring-in" is used with the same meaning as "ringer" in reference to this
sort of cheating.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Let us knot coin gnu werds huitch
msb@vex.net are spelld rong." -- Rik Fischer Smoody
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Oct 23 01:53AM -0700

Mark Brader wrote:
> was stranded after a failed expedition to Mars. On his return
> to Earth 25 years later, he tries to learn the customs, but
> then realizes he has special powers.
 
Stranger in a Strange Land
 
> honesty. In this novel, the protagonist Andrew Wiggin travels
> to the planet of Lusitania, and while there performs this
> role twice.
 
Speaker for the Dead
 
> taken in by the French clergy. He falls in love with a local
> gypsy and tries to save her life after she is sentenced to
> death by the jealous Frollo.
 
Hunchback of Notre Dame
 
> during World War II. To treat his injuries, he is taken to an
> Italian monastery serving as a hospital, and over the course
> of the novel we learn of his past before and during the war.
 
The English Patient
 
> the work of supposed double agent Hans-Dieter Mundt. Over the
> course of his mission he learns its true nature, leading to
> him question the morality and ultimate goal of each spy agency.
 
The Spy Who Came in from the Cold
 
> Bond sets off to the Caribbean to kill the title character --
> Francisco Scaramanga, a Cuban assassin responsible for the
> deaths of a number of British agents.
 
The Spy Who Loved Me
 
> in English.
 
> The sports for #1-6 are contested at the summer Olympic Games.
 
> 1. FEI.
 
equestrian sports
 
> 2. FIBA ["FEE-ba"].
 
basketball
 
> 3. FIFA ["FEE-fa"].
 
association football
 
> 4. FIG.
 
gymnastics
 
> 5. FINA ["FEE-na"].
> 6. IAAF.
 
track and field
 
 
> And #7-10 would be seen at the Winter Olympics.
 
> 7. FIL.
 
luge
 
> 8. FIS.
 
skiing
 
> 9. ISU.
 
snowboarding
 
 
--
Dan Tilque
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Oct 22 10:36PM

This is Rotating Quiz #272. Entries must be posted by Sunday,
October 29th, 2017 at 10 PM (Eastern Daylight Time).
 
Usual rules: no looking anything up, no discussion, etc. The winner
gets to create the next RQ.
 
Please post your answers to all questions in a single followup in the
newsgroup, quoting the questions and placing your answer below each
one. Only one answer is allowed per question.
 
This quiz has a theme but answers do not necessarily have a thematic
and non-thematic part. In any case the entire usual name of whatever
is asked for must be given in each case. Each answer is worth 2 points
or 1 if it's close enough in some ill-defined way.
 
In case of a tie, the first tiebreaker will be whoever scored the most
points on the hardest questions (defined post-facto as the ones which
the fewest people got any points on). Second tiebreaker will be
posting order.
 
1. This West African and Caribbean folk character variously appears as
the god of stories and a trickster figure. In the US some of his
traditional stories are applied to Br'er Rabbit. In the current
American Gods TV series he is played by Orlando Jones. Any of the
common names used for the character will be accepted.
 
2. This English king made a deal (the Treaty of Troyes) that
designated him heir to the French throne, but sadly for the English he
died unexpectedly two months before the French king, prolonging the
Hundred Years' War.
 
3. Many of Auguste Rodin's best-known sculptures were originally
studies for this monumental piece (six meters high) which was
originally planned for the entrance of a French museum. The museum was
never built, which was probably just as well since Rodin was still
working on the sculpture when he died, 32 years after the original
delivery date.
 
4. This English-Irish boy band took third place on The X Factor in
2010 and then were signed by Simon Cowell's label. They have released
five albums.
 
5. This Westminster site near Charing Cross was originally occupied by
the Royal Mews, but after George IV moved those it was (slowly)
developed into its current open form.
 
6. The third (and only surviving) play in a trilogy by Aeschylus, this
tells what happens after one of the sons of Oedipus refuses to
relinquish the kingship of their city to his brother as they
agreed. The brother gets an army and invades, as one does. Please give
the usual English title.
 
7. This is the first sequel to win the Academy Award for Best Picture.
 
8. This Greek philosopher and historian wrote about Socrates and the
latter part of the Peloponnesian War but is probably best known for
his account of the march or Greek mercenaries to the Battle of Cunaxa
and back again; he was one of the leaders of the return journey.
 
9. This Chinese hydroelectric facility is the world's largest power
station measured by rated capacity, and the second-largest measured by
annual power generation (in 2016, anyway).
 
10. In World War II the Allied Operation Neptune was an
appropriately-named phase of what larger operation?
 
 
 
 
 
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
Calvin <334152@gmail.com>: Oct 22 04:53PM -0700

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 8:36:57 AM UTC+10, Dan Blum wrote:
> designated him heir to the French throne, but sadly for the English he
> died unexpectedly two months before the French king, prolonging the
> Hundred Years' War.
 
Edward II
 
 
> 4. This English-Irish boy band took third place on The X Factor in
> 2010 and then were signed by Simon Cowell's label. They have released
> five albums.
 
One Direction
 
> 5. This Westminster site near Charing Cross was originally occupied by
> the Royal Mews, but after George IV moved those it was (slowly)
> developed into its current open form.
 
Horseguards palace
 
> agreed. The brother gets an army and invades, as one does. Please give
> the usual English title.
 
> 7. This is the first sequel to win the Academy Award for Best Picture.
 
The Godfather Part II
 
> latter part of the Peloponnesian War but is probably best known for
> his account of the march or Greek mercenaries to the Battle of Cunaxa
> and back again; he was one of the leaders of the return journey.
 
Herodotus?
 
> 9. This Chinese hydroelectric facility is the world's largest power
> station measured by rated capacity, and the second-largest measured by
> annual power generation (in 2016, anyway).
 
Three Rivers dam
 
> 10. In World War II the Allied Operation Neptune was an
> appropriately-named phase of what larger operation?
 
Dunno.
 
The theme is something to do with numbers but I don;t have enough sure answers to get any further.
 
cheers,
calvin
"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Oct 23 08:08AM

Dan Blum wrote:
 
> designated him heir to the French throne, but sadly for the English he
> died unexpectedly two months before the French king, prolonging the
> Hundred Years' War.
Henry III
 
> 4. This English-Irish boy band took third place on The X Factor in
> 2010 and then were signed by Simon Cowell's label. They have released
> five albums.
One Direction
> 5. This Westminster site near Charing Cross was originally occupied by
> the Royal Mews, but after George IV moved those it was (slowly)
> developed into its current open form.
Trafalgar Square
> agreed. The brother gets an army and invades, as one does. Please give
> the usual English title.
 
> 7. This is the first sequel to win the Academy Award for Best Picture.
The Godfather Part 2
> annual power generation (in 2016, anyway).
 
> 10. In World War II the Allied Operation Neptune was an
> appropriately-named phase of what larger operation?
D Day
 
Peter Smyth
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Oct 22 02:38PM -0500

Mark Brader:
> > At the original game, in our game at least, there was no comment
> > on the fact that 8 out of 10 correct answers started with A, which
> > misled at least one entrant here.

Peter Smyth:
> It didn't mislead me, in fact the non-existent theme was the only reason I
> guessed Antigua and Barbuda rather than some other Caribbean country.
 
And Algeria instead of Mali, and Angola instead of Mozambique...
--
Mark Brader | "Don't be a luddy-duddy! Don't be a mooncalf!
Toronto | Don't be a jabbernowl! You're not those, are you?"
msb@vex.net | --W.C. Fields, "The Bank Dick"
"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Oct 22 08:25PM

Mark Brader wrote:
 
> > reason I guessed Antigua and Barbuda rather than some other Caribbean
> > country.
 
> And Algeria instead of Mali, and Angola instead of Mozambique...
 
Well yes, but I didn't have a clue about either of those anyway.
 
Peter Smyth
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Oct 22 11:37PM -0500

Mark Brader:
>>>> At the original game, in our game at least, there was no comment
>>>> on the fact that 8 out of 10 correct answers started with A, which
>>>> misled at least one entrant here.
 
Peter Smyth:
>>> It didn't mislead me, in fact the non-existent theme was the only
>>> reason I guessed Antigua and Barbuda rather than some other Caribbean
>>> country.
 
Mark Brader:
>> And Algeria instead of Mali, and Angola instead of Mozambique...

Peter Smyth:
> Well yes, but I didn't have a clue about either of those anyway.
 
But that's only because you forgot the answers to the 6 decoys on
the handout in QFTCI11 Game 9 Round 8, on "Bizarre Buildings", which
I wrote originally and posted here on 2011-10-11. One of them was
this mosque.
 
(Okay, admittedly, you didn't enter that round...)
--
Mark Brader Be there or be... hmmm. I can't pretend that a
Toronto six-hour seminar on trivia skills is exactly the
msb@vex.net opposite of "square." --Ken Jennings
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Oct 23 07:10AM

> I wrote originally and posted here on 2011-10-11. One of them was
> this mosque.
 
> (Okay, admittedly, you didn't enter that round...)
 
Oh! How could I forget!
 
(My first thought was actually Mali, but then I decided that I rather
expected them to have something related to Timbuktu on the coat of arms,
so I went with the neighbouring country. I never considered Algeria, and
it looked plain wrong from the start. Certainly any text on an Algerian
coat of arms would be in Arabic, and not in French.)
 
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
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