Saturday, December 24, 2016

Digest for rec.games.trivia@googlegroups.com - 10 updates in 2 topics

Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Dec 23 08:59PM +0100

> Warning: the three cities won't necessarily be the largest or most
> famous ones along that river.
 
> 1. Basel, Strasbourg, Bonn.
 
Rhen
 
> 2. Waterloo, Cambridge, Paris.
 
Hm, that can't be Europan originals, but be copies somewhere. I know
that there is a Waterloo in Ontario, a Cambridge in Massachuttes and
a Paris in Texas, but it can at most be one of them.
 
St Lawrence?
 
> 3. Bismarck, Omaha, Kansas City.
 
Missouri
 
> 4. Regensburg, Bratislava, Belgrade.
 
Donau
 
> 5. Geneva, Lyon, Arles.
 
Rhône
 
> 6. Prince George, Chilliwack, Maple Ridge.
 
Rio de la Plata. :-)
 
> 7. Minneapolis, St. Louis, Memphis.
 
Mississippi
 
> 8. Turin, Piacenza, Cremona.
 
Po
 
> 9. Dresden, Wittenberg, Hamburg.
 
Elbe
 
> 10. Revelstoke, Portland, Astoria.
 
Columbia
 
 
> 3. Ranked #2. Maggie Cheung and Tony Leung play neighbors drawing
> closer, but the real stars are the leading lady's cheongsam
> dresses. Wong Kar-Wai directed this 2000 release.
 
I believe that I've see this one! But remembering the title? Nope.
In any case, I've only see the English title of this Taiwanese film.

> 9. Ranked #10. The Coen brothers picked up the 2007 Best Picture
> Oscar for this modern-day western starring Josh Brolin as
> Llewelyn Moss and Javier Bardem as Anton Chigurh.
 
No Country for Old Men

 
 
 
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Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Dec 23 09:03PM +0100

>> dresses. Wong Kar-Wai directed this 2000 release.
 
> I believe that I've see this one! But remembering the title? Nope.
> In any case, I've only see the English title of this Taiwanese film.
 
Having seen the answer given, I get a recollection of that the same
title was used in Sweden too. (These days, foreign films more often
have an English title here, no matter where they come from, it seems.)

 
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Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Dec 23 01:46PM -0800

Erland Sommarskog wrote:
 
> Hm, that can't be Europan originals, but be copies somewhere. I know
> that there is a Waterloo in Ontario, a Cambridge in Massachuttes and
> a Paris in Texas, but it can at most be one of them.
 
Yes, but there's lots of little towns named for European cities,
including many of each of these three names. I've been looking into
foreign cities with American namesakes recently. I've counted well over
200 different names and am not done yet.
 
One interesting fact is that the American names often retain older
spellings. Here's a list where the usual current English name of a
foreign city does not match the spelling of places named after that
city. Names where the only difference is diacritics were not included.
 
Angora MN -- Ankara, Turkey
Bagdad AZ -- Baghdad, Iraq
Barnstable MA -- Barnstaple, Devon, England
Breslau TX -- Wroclaw, Poland
Brooklyn NY -- Breukelen, Netherlands (Breukelen has merged with a
couple neighbors, so it's no longer a separate municipality, but that
matches Brooklyn)
Brunswick IN -- Braunschweig, Germany
Burlington MA -- Bridlington, East Yorkshire, England
Cabool MO -- Kabul, Afghanistan
Calcutta OH -- Kolkata, India
Canton OH -- Guangzhou, China
Carthagena OH -- Cartagena, Spain
Cordova AL -- Córdoba, Mexico
Cordova NE -- Córdoba, Spain
Danzig ND -- Gdansk, Poland
Elsinore UT -- Helsingør, Denmark (Shakespearean influence of course)
Framingham MA -- Framlingham, Suffolk, England
Frankfort IL -- Frankfurt, Germany
Hartford CT -- Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
Leipsic OH -- Leipzig, Germany
Lubec ME -- Lübeck, Germany
Manheim PA -- Mannheim, Germany
Monterey MI -- Monterrey, Mexico (the Monterey in CA was not named after
the one in Mexico)
Montpelier VT -- Montpellier, France
Pekin IL -- Beijing, China
Sebastopol CA -- Sevastopol, Ukraine
Strasburg PA -- Strasbourg, France
Tokio TX -- Tokyo, Japan
Upsala MN -- Uppsala, Sweden
Vera Cruz IN -- Veracruz, Mexico
 
I also skipped any names with -burg/-burgh differences, since those were
usually imposed by fiat of the US Board on Geographic Names. I didn't
include Lyon(s) because I'm not sure if English has dropped the S (it's
in the process, I think). Perhaps the same with Marseille(s), only not
so far along. Another I skipped was Bogata TX, since that was an
outright misspelling of Bogota.
 
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Dan Tilque
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Dec 23 11:57PM -0600

Erland Sommarskog (copyedited):
> > somewhere. I know that there is a Waterloo in Ontario, a Cambridge
> > in Massachusetts and a Paris in Texas, but it can at most be one
> > of them.
 
Indeed. As you might have guessed, the question was actually about
the ones in Ontario.
 
Dan Tilque:
> including many of each of these three names. I've been looking into
> foreign cities with American namesakes recently. I've counted well over
> 200 different names and am not done yet.
 
How many namesakes have you found in total?
 
I think one of the interesting cases is where a sizable city over here
is named for a much less populous place in Britain or elsewhere. Boston,
Portland, and the other Portland come to mind immediately.
--
Mark Brader | "The only thing required for the triumph of darkness
Toronto | is for good men not to call Hydro."
msb@vex.net | --Michael Wares
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Dec 24 12:06AM -0800

Mark Brader wrote:
>> foreign cities with American namesakes recently. I've counted well over
>> 200 different names and am not done yet.
 
> How many namesakes have you found in total?
 
Haven't counted those, just the number of different cities that have
American namesakes.
 
 
> I think one of the interesting cases is where a sizable city over here
> is named for a much less populous place in Britain or elsewhere. Boston,
> Portland, and the other Portland come to mind immediately.
 
Yes, I have noted some like that and those are two. (Note that the
Portland in England is not a town, but rather a peninsula that they call
an island. It's the Portland in Oregon that's much larger than the one
in Maine.) Others (larger one first):
 
Abilene TX/KS
Brampton ON/Cumbria, England
Brooklyn/Breukelen
Calgary AB/Scotland
Danbury CT/Essex, England
Edmonton AB/Greater London, England
Lexington KY/MA
Perth, Western Australia/Scotland (metro area only; the city of Perth is
actually smaller)
Richmond VA/Lincolnshire, England
Springfield MA/Essex, England
Stamford CT/Greater London, England
Valparaiso, Chile/Valparaiso de Arriba, Spain
 
You may want to add New York/York, although New York was actually named
after a person. Lexington MA is possibly named for a Laxton in England
with a population less than 500, so you might consider it a triple.
 
And for your next question (I can anticipate these things sometimes),
the one with the greatest ratio of populations is probably Calgary.
Don't know this for sure, because the one in Scotland is essentially a
rural area and Wikipedia doesn't give a population for it.
 
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Dan Tilque
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Dec 24 11:37AM +0100

> the one with the greatest ratio of populations is probably Calgary.
> Don't know this for sure, because the one in Scotland is essentially a
> rural area and Wikipedia doesn't give a population for it.
 
We should not forget Lima!
 
Lima in Sweden has 398 inhabitants according to Wikipedia. (Or well, one of
them has. For the other, the most recent information given is that there
were 38 farms at the end of the 19th century.)
 
Of course, most likely the coincidence in name with the Peruvian capital is
incidental.
 
 
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Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>: Dec 23 10:23PM

There being little to no argument raised to Mark's earlier post, I
intend to take the role of setter of RQ241, to be posted sometime
between Xmas and New Year.
 
Enjoy Festivus, Happy Holidays
 
Be excellent to each other
 
Gareth
swp <Stephen.W.Perry@gmail.com>: Dec 23 06:03PM -0800

On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 5:23:55 PM UTC-5, Gareth Owen wrote:
 
> Enjoy Festivus, Happy Holidays
 
> Be excellent to each other
 
> Gareth
 
party on Gareth!
 
swp
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Dec 23 11:00PM -0600

Gareth Owen:
> I intend to take the role of setter of RQ241, to be posted sometime
> between Xmas and New Year.
 
Thanks.

> Enjoy Festivus, Happy Holidays
 
> Be excellent to each other
 
Good idea -- thanks!
--
Mark Brader "Although I have not seen any mention of SoftQuad
Toronto or HoTMetaL in the magazine, it is certainly
msb@vex.net worth while reading." -- Selwyn Wener
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Dec 24 11:37AM +0100

> There being little to no argument raised to Mark's earlier post, I
> intend to take the role of setter of RQ241, to be posted sometime
> between Xmas and New Year.
 
Go for it!
 
 
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Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
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