Sunday, September 18, 2016

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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Sep 18 05:00AM -0500

Mark Brader:
> is in Colorado, not Wyoming. Also, if you check the photos my wife
> took at the summit the week before last, you'll see that its height
> is 14,115 feet.
 
Actually, there are two signs in the summit area, one on each side of
the building, and I was only remembering one of them. See:
 
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/pike/14110.jpg
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/msb/pike/14115.jpg
 
I don't know if the discrepancy reflects different measurements,
different rounding, changes in the height of the summit due to
construction of the building, the actual position of the two signs,
or what. Anyway, it's not 13,745 feet!
--
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Toronto | novel material -- like, for example, epigrams employing
msb@vex.net | backward alphabetization." --Randall Munroe
 
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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Sep 18 05:18AM -0500

Mark Brader:
> different rounding, changes in the height of the summit due to
> construction of the building, the actual position of the two signs,
> or what. Anyway, it's not 13,745 feet!
 
And the actual tallest mountain in the Rockies is Mt. Elbert, also in
Colorado, at 14,433 feet or just about 4,400 m. (Some sources say it's
14,440 feet.)
--
Mark Brader | "We didn't just track down that bug,
Toronto | we left evidence of its extermination
msb@vex.net | as a warning to other bugs" --Dan Lyke
 
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msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Sep 18 04:35AM -0500

These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2016-07-04,
and should be interpreted accordingly.
 
On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
Please post all your answers to the newsgroup in a single followup,
based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
the correct answers in about 3 days.
 
All questions were written by members of the Usual Suspects and
are used here by permission, but have been reformatted and may
have been retyped and/or edited by me. For further information
see my 2016-05-31 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
Inquisition (QFTCI*)".
 
I wrote both of these rounds.
 
 
* Game 7, Round 7 - Sports - Franchise Moves
 
We just did franchise movies; this round is about franchise moves.
More precisely, it's about franchise losses -- in pairs. Each
question will be about a city or country that has lost *two* teams
in the *same* major sports league, sometimes because the franchise
was moved but also sometimes because the team simply shut down.
 
In this round, when we say that a team "kept its name", we mean
that the non-geographical part stayed the same, like when the
Minnesota Lakers became the Los Angeles Lakers.
 
Note: *Answers may repeat*, and sometimes there will be multiple
questions about the same event, so be careful of table talk.
 
1. In the 1990s, two Canadian cities that had NHL teams lost them
when they each moved to the US just one year apart. Name *both*
Canadian cities.
 
2. Sometimes it goes the other way. Which *US city* had two NHL
teams at different times that both moved to Canada? The moves
were 31 years apart, one in the 20th century and one in the 21st.
One team kept its name when it moved; the other didn't.
 
3. What city saw its first NBA basketball team move away in the
1970s, later got another team, then saw that team move away for 2
years before returning? The two teams moved away 26 years apart.
Both teams went to cities whose names end in the word "City",
although one did not take on that city's name. Name the city
that the two teams moved away *from*.
 
4. What city had two NFL football teams and lost them *both in
the same year* as they each moved to other cities? Both teams
kept their names when they moved. One of them was returning
to a city where it had played previously; the other wasn't.
 
5. Please answer the previous question before decoding the rot13.
Gur Enzf, bs pbhefr, unir abj zbirq onpx gb Ybf Natryrf.
Ohg jvguva 2, jung jnf gur ynfg lrne gung gur Enzf naq gur
Envqref obgu cynlrq gurer?
 
6. Back to hockey now. This Canadian city had two NHL teams at
different times, but they both moved away. The first team went
to another Canadian city, and later to the US; then, 75 years
after that first move, their second team moved directly to
the US. There is no NHL team there today. Name the Canadian
city that lost these two teams.
 
7. This Canadian city had three NHL teams in the 20th century,
though they never had more than two at a time. One of the
three teams is still around today, but they lost the other two
when they each shut down, 20 years apart, in both cases before
World War II. Name the city.
 
8. Finally, baseball. This city lost two American League teams
when they each moved away to other cities. The first one moved
in the 1960s and was immediately replaced by an expansion
team with the *same name*; but 11 years later, that team in
turn moved away. Today the city has a National League team.
Name the city.
 
9. Which US city had two National League baseball teams that both
moved away in the *same year* -- and the two new cities that
they moved to were in the same state as each other?
 
10. Please answer the previous question before decoding the rot13.
(But you've guessed the question this time already, haven't you?)
Jvguva 2, jung jnf gur ynfg lrne gur Tvnagf naq gur Qbqtref
cynlrq va Arj Lbex?
 
 
* Game 7, Round 8 - History - The Franchise
 
Another meaning of "franchise" is the right to vote. This round
is about elections, and specifically, dates of elections. Note:
even if we talk about events before or after a particular election,
you will always have to give the date of the election itself.
 
*This is a precision round*. Each question (except one, which
will be self-explanatory when you get to it) asks for a year and
specifies the leeway you have to answer within. You can do that
and get the normal points, but *if you give the exact answer,
you get a bonus*.
 
In this medium I'll specify that the bonus will be 2 points and
will be available only on your first answer. So if you answer
only once, you can score:
 
6 - exact
4 - close enough
0 - wrong
 
but if you give two guesses, you can score:
 
6 - first guess exact, second guess close enough
5 - first guess exact, second guess wrong
4 - first guess close enough, second guess exact or close enough
3 - first guess close enough, second guess wrong
2 - first guess wrong, second guess exact or close enough
0 - both guesses wrong.
 
And as usual on this type of round, if no one answers within the
allowed range then I'll score answers within double the range as
"almost correct", so if your opponents do badly enough then you
can also get 3, 2, or 1 that way.
 
Got it? Then here we go.
 
 
1. In Ontario, Frank Miller was the last of six consecutive
Progressive Conservative premiers. He lost power when his
party was reduced to a minority of seats, and after a vote of
no confidence, David Peterson became premier instead. In what
year, within 1, was the election that led to this result?
 
2. In what year, within 1, was the election that reduced the
federal Progressive Conservative Party to 2 seats in Parliament
and made Jean Chrétien the prime minister?
 
3. The National Socialist German Workers' Party (to give it
its full name in English) never had a majority of seats in the
Reichstag, but in each of three separate elections in less than a
year they won more seats than any other party, and their leader,
some guy named Adolf Hitler, did become chancellor. Within 1,
in what year was the *last* of these three rapid-fire elections?
 
4. Elections in Britain were suspended for some years while
Winston Churchill was prime minister in wartime. When was the
election where Clement Attlee replaced him? For this one we
need the *month* and year; answer within 4 months for normal
score or within 1 month for the bonus.
 
5. What year was the first federal election in Canada where most
adult Canadian women were allowed to vote? It was also the first
election where women could be candidates. Answer within 3 years.
 
6. What year was the *last* *provincial* election in Canada where
women were *not* allowed to vote? Answer within 5 years.
 
7. What was the first year when the mayor and city council of
Toronto were elected for a term of 4 years? Answer within
1 year.
 
8. What was the *last* year when the mayor and city council of
Toronto were elected for a term of 2 years? Answer within
4 years.
 
9. As we all know, in the US the presidency is not directly
determined by the public voting, but rather by the Electoral
College, whose members meet in each state and send messages
to Congress reporting the electoral votes from the state.
Once, though, this system failed badly in four states where
both major parties claimed to have won and both submitted to
Congress what they claimed were true electoral-vote counts.
Subsequent events showed party politics at their worst, but
eventually Rutherford B. Hayes was declared the winner over
Samuel Tilden. Within 8 years, when was this botched election?
 
10. Party politics also caused a problematic US election when
they ran head-on into the original idea that the presidential
vote would be *non-partisan* and so the logical person to be
vice-president would be *the presidential candidate who finished
second*. In this case, the Democratic Party ran Aaron Burr
and Thomas Jefferson as running mates, and they tied for first
place in the electoral vote. So the House of Representatives
had to decide which one would be president and which would
be vice-president -- but it took them 36 ballots to settle
the question. Within 8 years, when was *this* botched election?
 
--
Mark Brader | "Life is mundane until it is not,
Toronto | and then the mundane can look serene."
msb@vex.net | --David Maraniss
 
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"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Sep 18 09:49AM

Mark Brader wrote:
 
> the same year* as they each moved to other cities? Both teams
> kept their names when they moved. One of them was returning
> to a city where it had played previously; the other wasn't.
Los Angeles
> The Rams, of course, have now moved back to Los Angeles.
> But within 2, what was the last year that the Rams and the
> Raiders both played there?
1993
> three teams is still around today, but they lost the other two
> when they each shut down, 20 years apart, in both cases before
> World War II. Name the city.
Toronto
> team with the *same name*; but 11 years later, that team in
> turn moved away. Today the city has a National League team.
> Name the city.
Washington DC
> 9. Which US city had two National League baseball teams that both
> moved away in the *same year* -- and the two new cities that
> they moved to were in the same state as each other?
New York
> (But you've guessed the question this time already, haven't you?)
> Within 2, what was the last year the Giants and the Dodgers
> played in New York?
1973
 
> 2. In what year, within 1, was the election that reduced the
> federal Progressive Conservative Party to 2 seats in Parliament
> and made Jean Chrétien the prime minister?
1993
> year they won more seats than any other party, and their leader,
> some guy named Adolf Hitler, did become chancellor. Within 1,
> in what year was the last of these three rapid-fire elections?
1935
> election where Clement Attlee replaced him? For this one we
> need the month and year; answer within 4 months for normal
> score or within 1 month for the bonus.
Sep 1945
> 5. What year was the first federal election in Canada where most
> adult Canadian women were allowed to vote? It was also the first
> election where women could be candidates. Answer within 3 years.
1937
> 6. What year was the last provincial election in Canada where
> women were not allowed to vote? Answer within 5 years.
1950
> 7. What was the first year when the mayor and city council of
> Toronto were elected for a term of 4 years? Answer within
> 1 year.
1970
> 8. What was the last year when the mayor and city council of
> Toronto were elected for a term of 2 years? Answer within
> 4 years.
1970
> Subsequent events showed party politics at their worst, but
> eventually Rutherford B. Hayes was declared the winner over
> Samuel Tilden. Within 8 years, when was this botched election?
1834
> had to decide which one would be president and which would
> be vice-president -- but it took them 36 ballots to settle
> the question. Within 8 years, when was this botched election?
1812
 
Peter Smyth
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Sep 18 04:43AM -0500

Mark Brader:
> * Game 6, Round 2 - Science - Famous Experiments
> * Game 6, Round 3 - Miscellaneous - Before-and-After Names

I forgot to include the credit/blame note when I posted these rounds
before: I wrote both of them.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "I'm pleased to have my own pothole number..."
msb@vex.net | --Claudia Bloom
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Sep 18 04:32AM -0500

Mark Brader:
> see my 2016-05-31 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI*)".
 
 
> I wrote one of these rounds.
 
The movie round.
 
 
> etc.) in the title. Unless otherwise indicated, you just need
> to name the city, not the full title of the song. Of course,
> sometimes the city name *is* the full title.
 
I'll show the full titles as answers even though you only had to
give the city name.
 
> cover with a more upbeat version? (Why they changed it I can't
> say, people just liked it better that way.) The title and the
> city are the same. Name that city.
 
"Istanbul" (not Constantinople -- which is to say, "Constantinople"
was not acceptable). 4 for Dan Blum, Stephen, and Joshua.
 
> 2. What Pennsylvania town did Billy Joel pay tribute to, in his
> song about its blue-collar residents coping with the decline
> and closure of a steel mill?
 
"Allentown". 4 for Dan Blum, Bruce, Dan Tilque, Stephen, Calvin,
and Joshua.
 
> Jackson apparently feel like a stranger, inspiring him to write
> a song on his state of mind during the height of the child-abuse
> accusations made against him?
 
"Stranger in Moscow". 4 for Peter, Stephen, and Joshua.
 
> but was styled after "Dick's Automotive" by the Rugburns,
> and most of it consists of spoken-word narration made up of
> loosely connected anecdotes.
 
"Albuquerque". 4 for Stephen and Joshua.
 
> 5. Which city does Graham Nash sing of, in reference to riots in
> 1968 and those who went on trial for intent to incite them?
 
"Chicago". 4 for Dan Blum, Bruce, Marc, Dan Tilque, Stephen,
Joshua, and Pete.
 
> by Seeb, depicts his drug-fueled night while attending an
> Avicii concert. In this case, the city whose name we want is
> on an island whose name is the same.
 
"I took a Pill in Ibiza". 4 for Stephen and Joshua.
 
> the musical "Chess", a new-wave/disco hit finds the protagonist
> denouncing this city's Chao Phraya River ["chow prah-YAH"]
> and Wat Pho statue. Name the city.
 
"One Night in Bangkok". 4 for Dan Blum, Marc, Erland, Stephen,
Calvin, and Joshua.
 
> 8. Which song by the Clash refers to concerns about nuclear errors
> and flooding of the River Thames? The *full title* is needed
> for this one.
 
"London Calling". 4 for Dan Blum, Marc, Peter, Erland, Stephen,
Calvin, and Joshua.
 
> 9. Ian Hunter wrote the song that was the opening theme for the
> Drew Carey Show from 1997 to 2004. Name the city in the title.
 
"Cleveland Rocks". 4 for Bruce, Marc, Stephen, Joshua, and Pete.
 
> 10. A 1972 hit by the Guess Who mentions Moose Jaw, Moosomin,
> Red Deer, Terrace, and Medicine Hat. But another city is in
> the title -- which one is that?
 
"Runnin' Back to Saskatoon". 4 for Stephen and Pete.
 
 
> Catching Fire"; some use both methods in combination; and sometimes
> the sequel has a completely new title, like "Minions". In this
> round we test your familiarity with different movie franchises.
 
I will show complete titles as answers even when you were only asked
for part of them.
 
> 1. Before last year, the last live-action "Star Wars" movie appeared
> in 2005. Give *either* its episode number or its subtitle.
 
"Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith". 4 for Dan Blum, Bruce,
Dan Tilque, Peter, Stephen, Calvin, Joshua, and Pete.
 
> numbers when the Next Generation cast joined the series.
> The last of the numbered movies was released in 1991.
> Give either its sequence number or its subtitle.
 
"Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country". 4 for Dan Blum, Peter,
Stephen, Joshua, and Pete.
 
> subtitles in alphabetical order: "At World's End", Dead Man's
> Chest", and "On Stranger Tides". What was the subtitle of the
> other movie?
 
"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" (2003, first
in the series). 4 for Dan Blum, Stephen, and Joshua. 3 for Peter.
 
> wrong. Now, name *any one of the first three* sequels to "The
> Fast and the Furious" (2001). They were released in 2003,
> 2006, and 2009.
 
"2 Fast 2 Furious" (I accepted "Too Fast Too Furious", as it would be
pronounced the same way), "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift",
"Fast & Furious". 4 for Bruce, Peter, Stephen, and Joshua.
2 for Dan Blum.
 
> 5. There were 7 novels in the Harry Potter series, but 8 movies.
> Give the *full title* of the *7th movie*, from 2010.
 
"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 1". 4 for Dan Blum,
Peter, Stephen, Joshua, and Pete.
 
There *were* 7 novels; now it's 7 novels and a play script. The play
opened, and the script was released in book form, a few weeks after
the original game was played.
 
> 6. There was one novel "The Hobbit", but it became three movies.
> Give the subtitle of the last one, released in 2014.
 
"The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies". 4 for Dan Blum, Peter,
Stephen, Calvin, Joshua, and Pete.
 
> 7. We need a two-part answer here. Name any actor who played James
> Bond in a movie *after* Sean Connery, *and* name the *first*
> movie that that actor played him in.
 
George Lazenby in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (1969), Roger
Moore in "Live and Let Die" (1973), Timothy Dalton in "The Living
Daylights" (1987), Pierce Brosnan in "GoldenEye" (1995), Daniel
Craig in "Casino Royale" (2006). 4 for Dan Blum, Bruce, Peter,
Erland, Stephen, Calvin, and Joshua. 3 for Pete.
 
> starred Matt Damon as Jason Bourne and were based on novels by
> Robert Ludlum. They came out in 2004 and 2007. Give *both*
> titles *in order* of release.
 
"The Bourne Supremacy", "The Bourne Ultimatum". 4 for Dan Blum,
Marc, Stephen, and Joshua.
 
> 9. There were five sequels to "The Thin Man" (1934), all starring
> William Powell and Myrna Loy as Nick and Nora Charles.
> Name *any one*.
 
"After the Thin Man" (1936), "Another Thin Man" (1939), "Shadow of
the Thin Man" (1941), "The Thin Man Goes Home" (1945), "Song of the
Thin Man" (1947). 4 for Marc, Stephen, and Joshua.
 
(The title phrase "Thin Man" refers to different characters in
different movies; in the original movie the character's weight was a
plot point. In at least one of the later ones, it appears to refer
to Nick Charles himself.)
 
> all made in the 1930s. You might know him better as the title
> character of a TV series with a different star, which ran from
> 1957 to 1966. Name the *character*.
 
Perry Mason. 4 for Dan Blum, Bruce, Marc, Dan Tilque, Peter, Stephen,
Joshua, and Pete.
 
 
Scores, if there are no errors:
 
GAME 7 ROUNDS-> 2 3 4 6 TOTALS
TOPICS-> Can Lit Mis Ent
Joshua Kreitzer 16 32 36 40 124
Dan Blum 16 20 20 34 90
Stephen Perry -- -- 40 40 80
"Calvin" 9 8 12 12 41
Marc Dashevsky 0 12 16 12 40
Dan Tilque 16 8 8 8 40
Peter Smyth -- -- 8 31 39
Pete Gayde -- -- 12 23 35
Bruce Bowler -- -- 12 16 28
Erland Sommarskog 16 0 8 4 28
 
--
Mark Brader | "Whose tracks these are I think I know;
Toronto | The railroad has gone bankrupt, though..."
msb@vex.net | --Michael Wares (after Frost)
 
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com>: Sep 17 09:09PM -0700

Dan Tilque wrote:
> are going to be a small integer or simple fraction. You don't have to
> answer in liters or whatever.
 
> 1. How many cubic inches are in a gallon?
 
231 (hence the inspiration for this quiz)
 
 
> 2. How large is a pottle?
 
2 quarts or 1/2 half gallon
 
(I don't think this is actually a traditional unit in the apothecaries
system, but I like the name and it fills a gap)
 
 
> 3. How many tablespoons are in a fluid ounce?
 
2
 
 
> 4. How many fluid drams are in a tablespoon?
 
4
 
 
> 5. How many teaspoons are in a tablespoon?
 
3
 
 
> 6. How large is a gill?
 
4 fluid ounces or 1/2 cup
 
 
> 7. How many cups are in a pint?
 
2
 
 
> 8. How many fluid ounces are in a quart?
 
32
 
 
> 9. What's the smallest unit in this measurement system?
 
minim
 
(There used to be a unit called a "drop" which was quite literal in its
meaning. That is, it was measured by creating a drop of whatever fluid.
As you'd expect, the actual amount in a drop was variable depending on
the physical properties of the fluid as well as the equipment used. The
minim replaced it in the early 19th century.)
 
 
> 10. How many of <answer 9> are in a fluid dram?
 
60
 
For those interested, here's a complete traditional apothecaries (plus
pottle) system:
 
1 gallon = 2 pottles
1 pottle = 2 quarts
1 quart = 2 pints
1 pint = 2 cups
1 cup = 2 gills
1 gill = 4 fluid ounces
1 fluid ounce = 2 tablespoons
1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons 1 tablespoon = 4 fluid drams
1 teaspoon = 4 fluid scruples 1 fluid dram = 3 fluid scruples
1 fluid scruple = 20 minims
 
There are larger fluid units such as firkin and barrel, but they are
variable depending on what fluid is being measured. (I once counted no
fewer than 6 different units called a "barrel" and I'm not sure I got
them all.)
 
 
Scores
 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 T
Mark Brader 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 8
Stephen Perry 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 8
Marc Dashevsky 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 5
Dan Blum 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 3
Erland 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1
 
So for the second time in a row, we have to go to the tie breaker. Not
only that, but after the first tie breaker, it's still tied! So we go to
the second one, which is who posted first. Which means the winner is:
 
Mark! Congratulations Mark!. RQ #232 is yours to do with as you please.
 
--
Dan Tilque
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Sep 18 04:22AM -0500

Dan Tilque:
> Mark! Congratulations Mark!. RQ #232 is yours to do with as you please.

Thanks! Thanks, Dan! I will post a contest in due course.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "...This is due to the Coincidence effect,
msb@vex.net | more so than the Coriolis." -- Cindy Kandolf
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