Friday, October 09, 2015

Digest for rec.games.trivia@googlegroups.com - 8 updates in 2 topics

swp <Stephen.W.Perry@gmail.com>: Oct 08 04:26PM -0700

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 11:14:11 PM UTC-4, Dan Blum wrote:
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Dan Blum tool@panix.com
> "I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
 
I'll post the next quiz tomorrow. hopefully.
 
swp
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Oct 08 11:44AM


> I think you forgot that English speakers generally use . as the decimal
> point. Commas are used to separate groups of 3 digits to the left of the
> point.
 
In Swedish, we use comma as the decimal separator, and thousands separator
is officially no-break space. Dots can appear in older sources, but
never comma.
 
Both I and Björn have a programming background, why using a decimal point is
nothing strange, and may even come naturally. I seem to recall that the
standards sort of change while I was in school, so that I was taught one
separator one year and another separator the next year. (So the lapse did
not really work as Mark assumed.)
 
I also read the number as decimal at first, but I quickly realised that
would be a completely pointless question to ask in a trivia game.
 
> I do wonder about what rules apply to this kind of question. It's an
> arithmetic question, not a trivia question. Are we allowed to use paper
> and pencil? Or do we have to do all the calculations in our head?

There would be no point with the question if we would use any kind of aid.
The key is to identify that the number is divisible by 9 and that the answer
must end in 3. Then you need to do some math to find the range where the
answer is hiding.
 
The correct answer to Björn's assumed question is according to an SQL Server
instance near me 3.8896015220071067, so his guess of 3.9 is correct to
the precision he gave.
 
 
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Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Oct 08 12:44PM

Calvin wrote:
 
 
> 1 Name the actress who played Willow in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"
> and Lily in "How I met your Mother"?
Alyson Hannigan
> 2 From the Middle Ages until the 20th century, masseur was a
> traditional occupation for persons suffering from which disability?
Blindness
> 3 What is the square root of 15,129?
123
> 4 In 1985, which Swedish actor played Russian boxer Ivan Drago in
> "Rocky IV"?
Dolph Lundgren
> 5 In ten-pin bowling, how many consecutive strikes are required to
> achieve the maximum 300 score?
12
> 6 Which Irish-Australian reality TV show winner released the 2007
> album "Where We Land"?
Daniel O'Donnell
> 7 Who appeared on the first cover of Rolling Stone magazine in 1967?
The Rolling Stones
> 8 On which river are the Victoria Falls?
Nile
> 9 Pooh Bah and Yum Yum are characters in which Gilbert and Sullivan
> light opera?
Pirates of Penzance
> 10 Which TV drama concerns an FBI agent who recruits his mathematical
> genius brother to help solve challenging crimes?
Elementary
 
Peter Smyth
"Björn Lundin" <b.f.lundin@gmail.com>: Oct 08 10:58PM +0200

On 2015-10-08 12:24, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
 
>> Interesting. When you wrote your answer, you knew how numbers are
>> written in English, but when you read the question you forgot.
>> Funny how the mind works sometimes, isn't it?
 
Gaahhh!
 
',' is thousand-separator in English ...
 
Actually, I'm used to translate the Swedish decimal character ',' to the
English '.' but here I did not even think of it.
We use space ' ' as thousand-separator.
(And when programming I use '_' as in 20_000_000, instead of 20000000,
however the '_' does not *need* to be thousand-separator.
That language is Ada)
 
> misread the number. I failed to observe that 9*9 does not end in 9, and
> Mark did not notice that the sum of the digits in 15129 is 9, and thus the
> answer must be divisible by 3.
 
And even if I would have read it correctly, I still would have
fallen in he above traps, at least the sum of digits one.
 
> For my part, I blame it on that it was too early in the morning and I
> haven't had my cup of tea yet.
 
I blame it on being at home, having a contractor tearing up our kitchen
floor - fixing a water leak. He was NOT quiet.
 
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Björn
"Björn Lundin" <b.f.lundin@gmail.com>: Oct 08 10:59PM +0200

On 2015-10-08 12:22, Dan Tilque wrote:
 
> I think you forgot that English speakers generally use . as the decimal
> point. Commas are used to separate groups of 3 digits to the left of the
> point.
 
Indeed I forgot.
 
 
> I do wonder about what rules apply to this kind of question. It's an
> arithmetic question, not a trivia question. Are we allowed to use paper
> and pencil? Or do we have to do all the calculations in our head?
 
Yes, interesting question
 
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Björn
"Björn Lundin" <b.f.lundin@gmail.com>: Oct 08 11:02PM +0200

On 2015-10-08 13:44, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> I also read the number as decimal at first, but I quickly realised that
> would be a completely pointless question to ask in a trivia game.
 
Clever.
I was a bit surprised by the question, but did not think too much of it.
But now I see that it was more to it.
 
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Björn
"Björn Lundin" <b.f.lundin@gmail.com>: Oct 08 11:05PM +0200

On 2015-10-08 09:40, Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>> > 4 In 1985, which Swedish actor played Russian boxer Ivan Drago in
>> > "Rocky IV"?
> Nisse Hult
 
As she said -
Who the f**k is Nisse Hult?
 
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Björn
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader): Oct 08 04:26PM -0500

Erland Sommarskog:
> Thus, this far three of four entrants has botched this question. Björn
> misread the number. I failed to observe that 9*9 does not end in 9, and
> Mark did not notice that the sum of the digits in 15129 is 9...
 
Wrong, because that was the hard way. The easy thing I missed was the
number is less than 15,625.
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Mark Brader | "Design an idiot-proof system, and the universe
Toronto | will spontaneously evolve a higher grade of idiot
msb@vex.net | that is able to circumvent it."
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