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bbowler <bbowler@bigelow.org>: Jul 08 01:58PM

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 01:35:31 -0500, Mark Brader wrote:
 
> Ontario. Which company's stores?
 
> 3. 9-year-old Kegan Rothman landed a 272 kg fish from the Fraser
> River in BC. What kind of fish?
 
Catfish
 
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its decade-long
> relationship with Trump following his remarks?
 
Macy's
 
> routinely overcharged for pre-packaged fruits, vegetables,
> and deli meats. Name the chain, which operates more than 400 stores
> globally, including 10 in Canada.
 
Whole Foods
 
> * Sports
 
> 7. Name the driver who won the British Grand Prix on Sunday.
 
Hamilton
 
> 8. Name the horse that won the 156th Queen's Plate on Sunday.
 
> 9. Name the American midfielder who scored a hat trick in the FIFA
> Women's World Cup finals on Sunday.
 
LLoyd
 
> the longest solar-powered flight when it touched down on Kalaeloa
> Airport in Hawaii. Which country did it leave from, 118 hours
> before?
 
Japan
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's José Martí
> International Airport?
 
Jet Blue
 
> 12. It seems that the charm of living in the Ecuadorean embassy
> in London is wearing off. In which European country did Julian
> Assange request asylum last week? Request denied.
 
France

 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said would be
> their final concerts.
 
The Grateful Dead (finally!)
 
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled in
> $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the magazine's
> cover. Name her.
 
Oprah Winfrey
 
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Jul 08 02:00PM


> * Canada
 
> 2. 1,600 workers went on strike at 9 stores in and around Windsor,
> Ontario. Which company's stores?
 
HBC
 
> 3. 9-year-old Kegan Rothman landed a 272 kg fish from the Fraser
> River in BC. What kind of fish?
 
salmon
 
 
> 4. The sportswear firm Nike ran into trouble in Paris, where it
> has been ordered to pay 67,500 euros in damages after it dressed
> a statue in a basketball shirt. A statue of who?
 
Napoleon; Henri IV
 
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its
> decade-long relationship with Trump following his remarks?
 
Macy's
 
> routinely overcharged for pre-packaged fruits, vegetables,
> and deli meats. Name the chain, which operates more than 400
> stores globally, including 10 in Canada.
 
Whole Foods
 
> and the longest solar-powered flight when it touched down on
> Kalaeloa Airport in Hawaii. Which country did it leave from,
> 118 hours before?
 
France; Germany
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's Jos?
> Mart? International Airport?
 
JetBlue
 
> 12. It seems that the charm of living in the Ecuadorean embassy
> in London is wearing off. In which European country did Julian
> Assange request asylum last week? Request denied.
 
Switzerland; Russia
 
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled
> in $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the
> magazine's cover. Name her.
 
Beyonce
 
 
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"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Jul 08 04:36PM

Mark Brader wrote:
 
> Ontario. Which company's stores?
 
> 3. 9-year-old Kegan Rothman landed a 272 kg fish from the Fraser
> River in BC. What kind of fish?
Tuna
> routinely overcharged for pre-packaged fruits, vegetables,
> and deli meats. Name the chain, which operates more than 400
> stores globally, including 10 in Canada.
Whole Foods
 
> * Sports
 
> 7. Name the driver who won the British Grand Prix on Sunday.
Lewis Hamilton
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's José
> Martí International Airport?
Delta, American
> 12. It seems that the charm of living in the Ecuadorean embassy
> in London is wearing off. In which European country did Julian
> Assange request asylum last week? Request denied.
Switzerland
 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said
> would be their final concerts.
Chicago
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled
> in $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the
> magazine's cover. Name her.
Beyonce, Taylor Swift
> 15. "Jeopardy!" host Alex Trebek tapped his inner rapper on air
> last week. What 1990-96 TV sitcom's theme did Trebek rap?
Fresh Prince of Bel Air
 
Peter Smyth
Marc Dashevsky <usenet@MarcDashevsky.com>: Jul 08 12:23PM -0500

In article <gcudnZ2TvasuWQHInZ2dnUU7-LWdnZ2d@vex.net>, msb@vex.net says...
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its
> decade-long relationship with Trump following his remarks?
Macy's
 
> routinely overcharged for pre-packaged fruits, vegetables,
> and deli meats. Name the chain, which operates more than 400
> stores globally, including 10 in Canada.
Whole Foods
 
 
> 8. Name the horse that won the 156th Queen's Plate on Sunday.
 
> 9. Name the American midfielder who scored a hat trick in the FIFA
> Women's World Cup finals on Sunday.
Carli Lloyd
 
> and the longest solar-powered flight when it touched down on
> Kalaeloa Airport in Hawaii. Which country did it leave from,
> 118 hours before?
China
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's José
> Martí International Airport?
JetBlue
 
 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said
> would be their final concerts.
Grateful Dead
 
swp <Stephen.W.Perry@gmail.com>: Jul 08 05:03PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:35:32 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> Canadian Inquisition for at least a couple of months. As usual,
> they are running concurrently with the posting of regular rounds,
> currently from the Final of the previous season.
 
noted
 
 
> 1. The Divisional Court in Ontario upheld the Law Society of
> Ontario's refusal to accredit which BC Christian university's
> yet-to-open law school?
 
trinity western
 
> 2. 1,600 workers went on strike at 9 stores in and around Windsor,
> Ontario. Which company's stores?
 
loblaws (the grocery store)
 
> 3. 9-year-old Kegan Rothman landed a 272 kg fish from the Fraser
> River in BC. What kind of fish?
 
white sturgeon
 
 
> 4. The sportswear firm Nike ran into trouble in Paris, where it
> has been ordered to pay 67,500 euros in damages after it dressed
> a statue in a basketball shirt. A statue of who?
 
winston churchill
 
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its
> decade-long relationship with Trump following his remarks?
 
macy's
 
> routinely overcharged for pre-packaged fruits, vegetables,
> and deli meats. Name the chain, which operates more than 400
> stores globally, including 10 in Canada.
 
whole foods
 
> * Sports
 
> 7. Name the driver who won the British Grand Prix on Sunday.
 
the what?
 
> 8. Name the horse that won the 156th Queen's Plate on Sunday.
 
american pharoah
 
> 9. Name the American midfielder who scored a hat trick in the FIFA
> Women's World Cup finals on Sunday.
 
Carli Lloyd
 
> and the longest solar-powered flight when it touched down on
> Kalaeloa Airport in Hawaii. Which country did it leave from,
> 118 hours before?
 
switzerland?
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's José
> Martí International Airport?
 
jet blue
 
> 12. It seems that the charm of living in the Ecuadorean embassy
> in London is wearing off. In which European country did Julian
> Assange request asylum last week? Request denied.
 
france
 
 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said
> would be their final concerts.
 
the grateful dead
 
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled
> in $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the
> magazine's cover. Name her.
 
katy perry
 
> 15. "Jeopardy!" host Alex Trebek tapped his inner rapper on air
> last week. What 1990-96 TV sitcom's theme did Trebek rap?
 
the fresh prince of bel air
 
 
swp
Joshua Kreitzer <gromit82@hotmail.com>: Jul 09 12:52AM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:gcudnZ2TvasuWQHInZ2dnUU7-
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its
> decade-long relationship with Trump following his remarks?
 
Macy's

> * Sports
 
> 9. Name the American midfielder who scored a hat trick in the FIFA
> Women's World Cup finals on Sunday.
 
Carli Lloyd
 
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's José
> Martí International Airport?
 
American; United
 
> 12. It seems that the charm of living in the Ecuadorean embassy
> in London is wearing off. In which European country did Julian
> Assange request asylum last week? Request denied.
 
Iceland

 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said
> would be their final concerts.
 
Grateful Dead
 
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled
> in $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the
> magazine's cover. Name her.
 
Taylor Swift

> 15. "Jeopardy!" host Alex Trebek tapped his inner rapper on air
> last week. What 1990-96 TV sitcom's theme did Trebek rap?
 
"The Fresh Prince of Bel Air"
 
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Jason Kreitzer <krei513@aol.com>: Jul 08 06:14PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 2:35:32 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
 
> 4. The sportswear firm Nike ran into trouble in Paris, where it
> has been ordered to pay 67,500 euros in damages after it dressed
> a statue in a basketball shirt. A statue of who?
Napoleon?
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its
> decade-long relationship with Trump following his remarks?
Macy's
 
> 8. Name the horse that won the 156th Queen's Plate on Sunday.
 
> 9. Name the American midfielder who scored a hat trick in the FIFA
> Women's World Cup finals on Sunday.
Carli Lilo?
 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said
> would be their final concerts.
The Grateful Dead
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled
> in $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the
> magazine's cover. Name her.
Taylor Swift?
> 15. "Jeopardy!" host Alex Trebek tapped his inner rapper on air
> last week. What 1990-96 TV sitcom's theme did Trebek rap?
"The Fresh Prince of Bel Air"
Pete <pagrsg@wowway.com>: Jul 09 02:37AM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:gcudnZ2TvasuWQHInZ2dnUU7-
> his shows off air and may have also hurt his business interests.
> Which US department store and fashion retailer ended its
> decade-long relationship with Trump following his remarks?
 
Macy
 
 
> 8. Name the horse that won the 156th Queen's Plate on Sunday.
 
> 9. Name the American midfielder who scored a hat trick in the FIFA
> Women's World Cup finals on Sunday.
 
Lloyd
 
 
> 11. On Friday, which major carrier was the first to offer a
> direct flight from New York's JFK Airport to Havana's José
> Martí International Airport?
 
Delta; American
 
 
> 13. Name the band whose surviving members capped their "Fare Thee
> Well" tour in Chicago this past weekend with what they said
> would be their final concerts.
 
 
Grateful Dead
 
> list of the world's 100 highest-paid celebrities. She pulled
> in $135,000,000 over the past year, and is featured on the
> magazine's cover. Name her.
 
Lady Gaga; Beyonce
 
 
> 15. "Jeopardy!" host Alex Trebek tapped his inner rapper on air
> last week. What 1990-96 TV sitcom's theme did Trebek rap?
 
Pete
"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Jul 08 04:41PM

Mark Brader wrote:
 
 
> 4. The Chinese Civil War (1946-49) was fought by the Communists,
> under Mao and his generals, against the Nationalists. Who was
> the leader of the Nationalists?
Chang Kai-Shek
> country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through
> industrialization and collectivization. The campaign caused the
> Great Chinese Famine. What was the campaign called (in English)?
Great Leap Forwards
 
> 7. Norwegian cargo ship SS Storstad, 1914.
> 8. Swedish passenger ship MS Stockholm, 1956.
> 9. British submarine HMS Conqueror, 1982.
Belgrano
> Most of these people were "elected", but it is generally believed
> that there was not actually any choice.
 
> 10. Thein Sein.
Myanmar
> 11. Nursultan Nazarbayev.
Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan
> 12. Umar Al-Bashir.
Sudan
 
> 13. The last remnant of New France is a self-governing "overseas
> collectivity" of France, situated in the northwestern Atlantic
> Ocean near Canada. What is its name?
St Pierre and Miquelon
 
> 15. In 1803, Napoléon Bonaparte sold the last part of mainland
> New France to the United States. What is this transaction
> known as?
Louisiana Purchase
 
Peter Smyth
Marc Dashevsky <usenet@MarcDashevsky.com>: Jul 08 05:14PM -0500

In article <POWdnY6p_NQuPQHInZ2dnUU7-fmdnZ2d@vex.net>, msb@vex.net says...
 
> We give you a list of three battles in alphabetical order; you
> list them in chronological order.
 
> 1. Cambrai, Passchendaele, Verdun.
Cambrai, Passchendaele, Verdun
 
> 2. Borodino, the Nile, Trafalgar.
Borodino, the Nile, Trafalgar
 
> 3. Salamis, Marathon, Thermopylae.
Marathon, Thermopylae, Salamis
 
 
> 4. The Chinese Civil War (1946-49) was fought by the Communists,
> under Mao and his generals, against the Nationalists. Who was
> the leader of the Nationalists?
Chiang Kai Shek
 
> pursuit of the Kuomintang (or Chinese Nationalist Party army).
> This episode has become part of the mythology of the Communist
> Party of China. What is it known as (in English)?
Long March
 
> country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through
> industrialization and collectivization. The campaign caused the
> Great Chinese Famine. What was the campaign called (in English)?
Great Leap Forward
 
> you name the ship that sank.
 
> 7. Norwegian cargo ship SS Storstad, 1914.
> 8. Swedish passenger ship MS Stockholm, 1956.
Andrea Doria
 
> Most of these people were "elected", but it is generally believed
> that there was not actually any choice.
 
> 10. Thein Sein.
Burma
 
> 11. Nursultan Nazarbayev.
Kyrgyzstan; Tajikistan
 
> 12. Umar Al-Bashir.
Somalia; Sudan
 
 
> 13. The last remnant of New France is a self-governing "overseas
> collectivity" of France, situated in the northwestern Atlantic
> Ocean near Canada. What is its name?
St. Pierre and Miquelon
 
> 14. This colony of New France in northeastern North America included
> parts of eastern Quebec, the Maritime provinces, and modern-day
> Maine to the Kennebec River. What was it called?
Acadia [the source of Cajuns]
 
> 15. In 1803, Napoléon Bonaparte sold the last part of mainland
> New France to the United States. What is this *transaction*
> known as?
Louisiana Purchase [where many Cajuns ended up]
swp <Stephen.W.Perry@gmail.com>: Jul 08 05:25PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:01:56 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2015-03-30,
> and should be interpreted accordingly.
 
noted
 
 
> * Battle Order
 
> We give you a list of three battles in alphabetical order; you
> list them in chronological order.
 
many of these lasted months. are you using the start date or the end date? since I am taking wags at most of these, I honestly don't know if they overlap or not.
 
> 1. Cambrai, Passchendaele, Verdun.
 
verdun, cambrai, passchendaele
 
> 2. Borodino, the Nile, Trafalgar.
 
the nile, trafalgar, borodino
 
> 3. Salamis, Marathon, Thermopylae.
 
salamis, marathon, thermopylae
 
 
> 4. The Chinese Civil War (1946-49) was fought by the Communists,
> under Mao and his generals, against the Nationalists. Who was
> the leader of the Nationalists?
 
chiang kaishek
 
> pursuit of the Kuomintang (or Chinese Nationalist Party army).
> This episode has become part of the mythology of the Communist
> Party of China. What is it known as (in English)?
 
the long march
 
> country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through
> industrialization and collectivization. The campaign caused the
> Great Chinese Famine. What was the campaign called (in English)?
 
the great leap forward
 
[note: there is chaos under the heavens, and all is well.]
 
 
> We give you the vessel responsible and the year of the sinking;
> you name the ship that sank.
 
> 7. Norwegian cargo ship SS Storstad, 1914.
 
...
 
> 8. Swedish passenger ship MS Stockholm, 1956.
 
andrea doria?
 
> 9. British submarine HMS Conqueror, 1982.
 
general belgrano (in the falkland islands war)
 
 
> * My Favorite Dictator
 
*me!* pick me! pick me!

> Most of these people were "elected", but it is generally believed
> that there was not actually any choice.
 
> 10. Thein Sein.
 
burma
 
> 11. Nursultan Nazarbayev.
 
kazakhstan
 
> 12. Umar Al-Bashir.
 
sudan
 
 
> 13. The last remnant of New France is a self-governing "overseas
> collectivity" of France, situated in the northwestern Atlantic
> Ocean near Canada. What is its name?
 
quebec
 
> 14. This colony of New France in northeastern North America included
> parts of eastern Quebec, the Maritime provinces, and modern-day
> Maine to the Kennebec River. What was it called?
 
quebec
 
> 15. In 1803, Napoléon Bonaparte sold the last part of mainland
> New France to the United States. What is this *transaction*
> known as?
 
the louisiana purchase
 
swp
Jason Kreitzer <krei513@aol.com>: Jul 08 06:13PM -0700

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:01:56 AM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
 
> 1. Cambrai, Passchendaele, Verdun.
> 2. Borodino, the Nile, Trafalgar.
> 3. Salamis, Marathon, Thermopylae.
1.Passchendaele, Cambrai, Verdun
2.The Nile, Borodino, Trafalgar
3.Thermopylae, Marathon, Salamis
 
> 4. The Chinese Civil War (1946-49) was fought by the Communists,
> under Mao and his generals, against the Nationalists. Who was
> the leader of the Nationalists?
Chang Kai-Shek
> country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through
> industrialization and collectivization. The campaign caused the
> Great Chinese Famine. What was the campaign called (in English)?
The Great Leap Forward
> Most of these people were "elected", but it is generally believed
> that there was not actually any choice.
 
> 10. Thein Sein.
Myanmar
> 11. Nursultan Nazarbayev.
Turkmenistan?
> 12. Umar Al-Bashir.
Sudan
 
> 15. In 1803, Napoléon Bonaparte sold the last part of mainland
> New France to the United States. What is this *transaction*
> known as?
The Louisiana Purchase
Pete <pagrsg@wowway.com>: Jul 09 02:33AM

msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in news:POWdnY6p_NQuPQHInZ2dnUU7-
 
> We give you a list of three battles in alphabetical order; you
> list them in chronological order.
 
> 1. Cambrai, Passchendaele, Verdun.
 
Verdun, Cambrai, Passchendaele
 
 
> 4. The Chinese Civil War (1946-49) was fought by the Communists,
> under Mao and his generals, against the Nationalists. Who was
> the leader of the Nationalists?
 
Chiang Kai Shek
 
> country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through
> industrialization and collectivization. The campaign caused the
> Great Chinese Famine. What was the campaign called (in English)?
 
Cultural Revolution
 
> you name the ship that sank.
 
> 7. Norwegian cargo ship SS Storstad, 1914.
> 8. Swedish passenger ship MS Stockholm, 1956.
 
Andrea Doria
 
> Most of these people were "elected", but it is generally believed
> that there was not actually any choice.
 
> 10. Thein Sein.
 
Myanmar
 
> 11. Nursultan Nazarbayev.
 
Turkmenistan
 
> 12. Umar Al-Bashir.
 
Syria
 
 
> 13. The last remnant of New France is a self-governing "overseas
> collectivity" of France, situated in the northwestern Atlantic
> Ocean near Canada. What is its name?
 
St Pierre et Miquelon
 
 
> 15. In 1803, Napoléon Bonaparte sold the last part of mainland
> New France to the United States. What is this *transaction*
> known as?
 
The Louisiana Purchase
 
 
Pete
Pete <pagrsg@wowway.com>: Jul 08 10:52PM

Calvin <334152@gmail.com> wrote in
 
> 1 The island of Trinidad lies off the coast of which South
> American country?
 
Guyana
 
> 7 What does the fashion label acronym FCUK stand for?
> 8 Which world leader officially opened the
> 1980 Summer Olympics?
 
Brezhnev
 
> 9 What name is given to a mountain railway
> where the carriages are pulled uphill by a cable?
 
Funicular
 
> 10 Which French
> radical stabbed Jean-Paul Marat to death in 1793?
 
Robespierre
 
 
> cheers,
> calvin
 
Pete
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Jul 08 01:55PM


> And Dan Blum had the same guess. Which is apparently incorrect, because,
> Calvin said:
 
> Latin America & Caribbean - Colombia #34
 
Yeah, I wasn't paying close enough attention to that. The fact that Colombia
is best in the region makes me a bit suspicious of the ranking system.
 
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_______________________________________________________________________
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"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
"Peter Smyth" <smythp@gmail.com>: Jul 08 04:49PM

Calvin wrote:
 
> United Kingdom 11
> United States 12
> Venezuela 68
 
Peter Smyth
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 08 06:57PM +0200

> Yeah, I wasn't paying close enough attention to that. The fact that
> Colombia is best in the region makes me a bit suspicious of the ranking
> system.
 
With the risk of being more political than is suitable for this forum:
although Colombia has for many years been plagued by guerilla wars, they
are known to have an ecnonmy which is more liberal than most other countries
in the region. Had I been asked to name #1 in the region, I would have
settled for Chile, which ranks very good on Transperancy International's
rankings (as some people may recall from an earlier RQ).
 
I have not checked the list, but I would not expect Argentina to be very
high, as Argentina has many of the same problems that Greece has - and
Greece is definitely not a country you are dreaming of doing business in.
Venezuela is more difficult to judge, as it might have been relatively
before Chavéz and even more so the bus driver started to wreak havoc of that
country.
 
 
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
tool@panix.com (Dan Blum): Jul 08 08:47PM

> in the region. Had I been asked to name #1 in the region, I would have
> settled for Chile, which ranks very good on Transperancy International's
> rankings (as some people may recall from an earlier RQ).
 
The economy in Colombia may be fine, but you'd think this sort of ranking
would downgrade a country based on things like kidnap risk.
 
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."
Erland Sommarskog <esquel@sommarskog.se>: Jul 08 11:32PM +0200

> The economy in Colombia may be fine, but you'd think this sort of ranking
> would downgrade a country based on things like kidnap risk.
 
Yeah, but as I understand it the kidnapping risk is more out in the
wilderness. It is not that they will suck you in if you walk the streets
in Bogotá.
 
Then again, that may have been a factor they have "forgotten".
 
 
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se
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