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* Rare Entries DJT02 ANSWERS - 9 messages, 6 authors
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* QFTCI11 Game 1 Rounds 2-3: Lat.Am. cities, feet/footwear - 5 messages, 3
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* Gary Sokolich Rap Sheet? #702 - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Calvin's Quiz #138 - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* QFTCI11 Game 1 Rounds 4,6: scientists, lawyers - 7 messages, 7 authors
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* Calvin's Quiz #139 - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Rare Entries DJT02 ANSWERS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trivia/t/fe0cc400d8a37432?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 18 2011 11:57 pm
From: Dan Tilque

There were 17 entrants from the Usenet newsroups and 4 from the SDMB.
Since 4 is not enough contestants to do a rare entries contest on, I'm
going to just score a single comnbined contest.

The winner was JOHN GERSON. Runners up were DAVE FILPUS and HARAN
PILPEL. Here are their answer slates (with some abbreviation):

John Gerson Dave Filpus Haran Pilpel
0. Titan Venus Jupiter
1. Lincoln, NE Jefferson City MO Jefferson City
2. Sacagawea John Muir John Muir
3. Lake Superior Huron Superior
4. zodiac Jupiter Merkur
5. Six-red snooker Rugby Chess (W)
6. ruby cardinal raspberry
7. Laurier Borden King
8. With The Beatles Rubber Soul Yesterday and Today
9. 4130 steel Magnesium walnut

There were only 7 wrong answers in total in this contest, a surprisingly
low number. I haven't done any statistics (not even counted them), but
my impression is that there were relatively few 1's compared to previous
rare entries contests.

Here's the complete table of scores. Names marked with an * are entrants
from the SDMB. Those are their handles rather than actual names.

Item number--> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1. 360 John Gerson 4 1 3 5 1 1 1 2 3 1
2. 600 Dave Filpus 1 5 2 5 1 3 2 2 1 1
3. 1800 Haran Pilpel 2 5 2 5 1 W 1 3 1 1
4. 2500 Chronos * 1 5 2 5 5 2 1 5 1 1
5. 2916 Mark Brader 9 9 1 3 1 1 2 1 1 6
6. 4050 panamajack * 9 3 1 5 5 1 1 1 1 6
7. 5040 Gibbs89 * 1 1 1 4 2 2 2 5 3 W
8. 5760 Garmt de Vries 2 3 1 4 5 2 W 2 3 1
9. 7200 Don Pivin 2 2 2 3 2 1 2 5 1 6
10.(t) 8640 Duke 9 5 4 4 1 1 2 3 1 2
10.(t) 8640 Stephen Perry 9 2 5 1 2 2 1 1 4 6
12. 10800 Kevin Stone 9 5 4 1 5 1 1 3 4 1
13. 18000 Bruce Bowler 9 5 5 1 5 2 2 1 4 1
14. 19200 Maus Magill * 2 2 5 1 4 2 2 5 3 4
15. 19440 Rob Parker 4 3 3 5 2 1 2 3 3 3
16. 32400 Calvin 4 5 5 3 3 1 W 3 3 1
17. 38880 Nick Selwyn 9 9 1 5 4 2 2 3 1 2
18. 97200 Lieven Marchand 9 5 4 5 3 3 2 1 3 2
19. 100800 Björn Lundin W 5 5 4 4 2 1 2 3 2
20. 138240 Joseph P 9 2 4 5 4 1 W 1 4 6
21. 324000 Peter Chapman 4 5 3 5 3 1 W 5 3 6

And the scores of the individual items:

0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has landed on or impacted.
Atmospheric probes count as impactors, although flying through the coma
of a comet does not count as an atmospheric probe.

9 Earth
4 Titan
2 25143 Itokawa
2 Jupiter
1 Moon
1 Sun
1 Venus

W Io

Big collision on Earth while Mars, 433 Eros, and Comet 9P/Tempel 1 were
left untouched.

The Sun is a questionable answer. The entrant argued that the solar wind
is composed of particles from the Sun's atmosphere and we've sent
missions to study the solar wind. Ergo, those missions are atmospheric
probes. I wasn't real happy about this, but decided to give it to him
anyway.

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1. Name a current or former capital city which was named for a US President.

9 Washington
+ 2 Washington DC
+ 2 Washington AR
+ 3 Washington MS
5 Jefferson City MO
5 Monrovia, Liberia
1 Lincoln NE
1 Villa Hayes, Paraguay

Two people answered Washington without qualification. That omission cost
them dearly. No doubt they were unaware (as was I before this contest
started) that Washington, Arkansas was the capital of that state during
the Civil War after Little Rock had been captured by Union forces and
that Washington, Mississippi was the capital while it was a territory.

Villa Hayes is named for Rutherford B Hayes. Apparently, he's something
of a hero in Paraguay for ruling in that country's favor in a border
dispute. Most US citizens barely know he existed.

Answers not given were Madison WI, Jackson MS, and another obscure one,
Washington-on-the-Brazos, TX, which was the capital of the Republic of
Texas twice.

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2. Name a real person who was not a US president and whose image has
appeared on a US coin issued for circulation. Models used by coin
designers are excluded from this question; only a person that an image
is meant to represent is a valid answer. Coins intended only for
collectors and/or investment purposes are excluded.

5 Benjamin Franklin
4 Susan B Anthony
3 Sacagawea
2 Kamehameha I (Hawaii state quarter)
2 John Muir (California state quarter)
1 Jean Baptiste Charbonneau ($1 coin)
1 William Clark
1 Duke Ellington (DC territorial quarter)
1 Meriwether Lewis
1 Prince Whipple (New Jersey state quarter)

I assume Lewis and Clark are on the Missouri state quarter, although I
don't know if that's official or not. There's a boat with three figures
in it which represents their expedition, but I don't know if those
figures are actually meant to represent the men themselves.

Jean Baptiste Charbonneau is the papoose that Sacagawea is carrying on
her back. Prince Whipple is one of the men on Washington's boat crossing
the Delaware.

Answers not given are Caesar Rodney (DE quarter), General Edward Hand
(NJ quarter), Wilbur and Orville Wright (NC quarter), and Helen Keller
(AL quarter).

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3. Name a Great Lake.

5 Huron
5 Superior
4 Ontario
3 Great Lake, Tasmania
1 Erie
1 Great Salt Lake
1 Michigan
1 Michigan-Huron

Technically, Lakes Michigan and Huron are a single lake, since there's
just a fairly wide passage between them rather than a river. I decided
to count it as a distinct answer rather than a less specific answer.

It surprised me that no one gave any of the African Great Lakes as an
answer.

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4. Give the make or model of an automobile or light truck which has an
astronomical theme. The vehicle does not have to be currently in production.

5 Subaru (Japanese "Pleides")
4 Galaxy
3 Astra (Latin "star, constellation")
2 Gemini
2 Orion
1 Daewoo (Korean "great universe")
1 Galaxie
1 Jupiter
1 Merkur (German "Mercury")
1 Zodiac

Everyone, please note the conjunction between "make" and "model" above.
Despite it being "or", most people gave both a make and a model. I was
looking for just one or the other. Obviously I didn't make this clear
enough, so I'll take the blame for it.

Since many of the makes (and some of the models) given were not valid
answers, I decided to take the first name that had an astronomical theme
in each entrant's answer as their answer. Since everyone had at least
one (and a few people had two), no one got a wrong answer, although some
may have gotten a higher score than they'd anticipated.

Several people gave the Ford Galaxy, which I'm going to guess was
usually meant to be the large sedan from the 60s. That car was actually
spelled Galaxie. It turns out that Ford is also making a minivan under
the spelling of Galaxy. So these answers are distinct rather than Galaxy
being treated as a misspelling. All parties benefitted, although the guy
who answered Galaxie got the most benefit (Mark's spelling
anal-retentiveness finally pays dividends.)

There's a number of answers no one gave: Saturn, Mercury, Comet, and
Astro are a few.

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5. Name an organized sport that has more than one mode of scoring. A
mode of scoring is determined by the number of points (see definition
4.5) scored. All actions that score the same number of points count as a
single mode. Administratively assigned points (e.g. for forfeits or
penalties) do not count as a mode of scoring. Tennis is excluded from
this question; it has only one mode of scoring, but has a funny way of
counting to four. Target sports are excluded from this item.

3 rugby
+ 1 rugby league
2 bowling
2 cricket
2 hurling
2 judo
1 arena football
1 Australian Rules Football
1 (English) billiards
1 Canadian football
1 Gaelic football
1 gliding
1 Kabaddi
1 (muggle) Quidditch
1 six-red snooker

W chess

Chess is not a sport (it's a board game), but even if it were, it does
not have more than one mode of scoring. The numbers usually assigned for
taken pieces (e.g. 1 for a pawn, 3 for a knight, etc.) are just an
informal way of keeping track of who's ahead and have no official
status. In fact, they're actually rarely used even informally, as far as
I can tell.

Some day American contestants are going to learn that rugby is not a
single sport and thus do better on these contests. Don't hold your breath.

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6. Give a word (definition 4.1) which has the meaning of some shade of
red. Note that pink, orange, and purple are separate colors and not
considered to be a shade of red.

2 cardinal
2 carmine
2 carnelian
2 puce
2 scarlet
1 coquelicot
1 flame
1 incarnadine
1 maroon
1 raspberry
1 ruby
1 vermilion

W rufous (adjective)
W ruddy (adjective)
W blood
W falu red (two words)

Rufous and ruddy are adjectives meaning "reddish". I was looking for a
noun. For a few of the answers, I had to look in a large number of
dictionaries to find one that defined it as a shade of red. "Flame" and
"carnelian" were notable here. I checked over a dozen dictionaries, both
on-line and off, and couldn't find any that defined "blood" as a shade
of red.

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7. Name a prime minister of Canada who served at least 2 years in that
office.

5 Sir John Thompson
3 Richard Bedford Bennett
3 William Lyon Mackenzie King
2 Sir Robert Borden
2 Sir Wilfrid Laurier
1 Jean Chrétien
1 Stephen Harper
1 Sir John A. Macdonald
1 Alexander Mackenzie
1 Brian Mulroney
1 Louis St. Laurent

One entrant gave a conditional response based on two possible
interpretations of the item. That sort of thing is not allowed. I'll
always take the first answer given, as it says in the rules. The entrant
who did this is from the SDMB, so it's understandable that he was
unaware of this.

It turns out neither of the two interpretations he gave was completely
correct. "Serving two years in office" means a total of 730 days no
matter how many terms those days are spread across. Fortunately for the
entrant, the first answer he gave was a valid one.

I do wonder if there are any valid answers from before 1867. I'm not
that familiar with the colonial government from that era, but perhaps a
Canadian on the list might be.

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8. Name an album released by the Beatles.

4 The Beatles [The White Album; Los Beatles]
3 Beatles for Sale
3 Revolver
3 With the Beatles
1 Beatles 65
1 The Beatles' Christmas Album
1 The Beatles' Long Tall Sally (Canadian release)
1 The Beatles' Second Album
1 Magical Mystery Tour
1 Rubber Soul
1 Something New
1 Yesterday and Today

I couldn't find anything on the internet about "Los Beatles", so I
assumed it was just the Spanish release of the White Album. Long Tall
Sally was an extended play (EP) record in most countries, but was the
name of an album released only in Canada.

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9. Name material that bicycle frames are made of.

6 bamboo
4 wood
+ 1 plywood
+ 1 walnut
+ 1 Bubinga wood
3 steel
+ 1 4136 ChroMoly
+ 1 SAE grade 4130 steel
2 carbon fiber
2 titanium
1 6061 aluminium alloy
1 magnesium
1 plastic

W molybdenum

I was unhappy about the scoring of a few answers here. But I'd be
unhappy no matter how I scored them.

Molybdenum was scored wrong, as no frames are made just of that metal.
No doubt the entrant was thinking of chromium-molybdenum-steel alloy,
usually known as chromoly. 4136 Chromoly and SAE grade 4130 steel are
two very specific forms of this alloy. This scoring seemed to be
unquestionable on its face.

But then you get to the wood bicycles. The only bike frames I could find
made of walnut or Bubinga wood are from Renovo Hardwood Bicycles. And in
both cases, the frames are made of two different woods laminated
together. So, unlike all the other materials in the above list, for
these two types of wood, the frames are not made completely from the
material.

One way of looking at it is that the only difference between molybdenum
and these two types of wood is that you can point to a section of the
wooden frames and say "here's this type of wood", whereas you can't do
the same with a chromoly frame and molydbenum. So it doesn't seem quite
right to score one wrong and the other two right.

The alternatives seem to be to score the three as either all right or
all wrong. Neither of these seem to be a perfect answer. So I'd like any
thoughts anyone has on this dilemma.

Thank you for playing everone.

--
Dan Tilque

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 1:50 am
From: "Kevin Stone"

> 8. Name an album released by the Beatles.

> I couldn't find anything on the internet about "Los Beatles"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_discography

Listed as a separate album in 1965...

--
Kev

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 1:50 am
From: "Kevin Stone"

> 4. Give the make or model of an automobile or light truck which has an
> astronomical theme. The vehicle does not have to be currently in
> production.

> I was looking for just one or the other.

You quite clearly stated OR....

...I think you should disallow any answer that didn't answer the question
asked.

--
Kev

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 2:19 am
From: Dan Tilque

Kevin Stone wrote:
>> 8. Name an album released by the Beatles.
>
>> I couldn't find anything on the internet about "Los Beatles"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_discography
>
> Listed as a separate album in 1965...
>

Definitely not the White Album, then. Wrong year. I'll rescore it after
I get more feedback.

--
Dan Tilque

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 2:22 am
From: Erland Sommarskog

Dan Tilque (dtilque@frontier.com) writes:
> 3. Name a Great Lake.
>
> 5 Huron
> 5 Superior
> 4 Ontario
> 3 Great Lake, Tasmania
> 1 Erie
> 1 Great Salt Lake
> 1 Michigan
> 1 Michigan-Huron
>
> Technically, Lakes Michigan and Huron are a single lake, since there's
> just a fairly wide passage between them rather than a river. I decided
> to count it as a distinct answer rather than a less specific answer.
>
> It surprised me that no one gave any of the African Great Lakes as an
> answer.

I didn't enter because there was several questions I did not like. Exactly
what is a Great Lake? Spelt with capitals, one could interpret it as it
exactly one of the five lakes on the border between the US and Canada.
But apparently other answers were allowed, as some contestants found out.
So if there is Great in the name, that's OK? What is someone had answered
the Capsian Sea which is a very great lake? The salt lake in Utah may
have have Great in the name, but there are lot of lakes that are greater
than that one.

It's part of the game that if you decide to bend the question that you
don't know exactly how the quizmaster will rule the answer. But at least
you should have an idea what the quizmaster has in mind, and think
this question fails that test.

--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:08 am
From: Dan Tilque

Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Dan Tilque (dtilque@frontier.com) writes:
>> 3. Name a Great Lake.
>>
>> 5 Huron
>> 5 Superior
>> 4 Ontario
>> 3 Great Lake, Tasmania
>> 1 Erie
>> 1 Great Salt Lake
>> 1 Michigan
>> 1 Michigan-Huron
>>
>> Technically, Lakes Michigan and Huron are a single lake, since there's
>> just a fairly wide passage between them rather than a river. I decided
>> to count it as a distinct answer rather than a less specific answer.
>>
>> It surprised me that no one gave any of the African Great Lakes as an
>> answer.
>
> I didn't enter because there was several questions I did not like. Exactly
> what is a Great Lake? Spelt with capitals, one could interpret it as it
> exactly one of the five lakes on the border between the US and Canada.
> But apparently other answers were allowed, as some contestants found out.
> So if there is Great in the name, that's OK? What is someone had answered
> the Capsian Sea which is a very great lake? The salt lake in Utah may
> have have Great in the name, but there are lot of lakes that are greater
> than that one.
>
> It's part of the game that if you decide to bend the question that you
> don't know exactly how the quizmaster will rule the answer. But at least
> you should have an idea what the quizmaster has in mind, and think
> this question fails that test.
>

Based on the way the game has been played in the past, any ambiguity in
the phrasing of an item can be exploited, although you run the risk of
getting a wrong answer. That's part of the game.

I'll admit that I deliberately left this item somewhat open. I was
prepared to accept any answer which could legitimately be a Great Lake
with capitals. Since the names of lakes are capitalized, then any lake
with "Great" and "Lake" in its name would be acceptable. However, if a
reviewer on the internet says that a particular lake was a "great lake
for fishing", that would not be acceptable. The Caspian, despite being a
very large lake, would not qualify unless the entrant came up with a
good rationale for why it's a Great Lake and not just a great lake.

--
Dan Tilque

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 4:08 am
From: gaactn_0.9record@internode.on.net

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 03:08:54 -0700, Dan Tilque wrote:

> Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>> Dan Tilque (dtilque@frontier.com) writes:
>>> 3. Name a Great Lake.
>>>
>>> 5 Huron
>>> 5 Superior
>>> 4 Ontario
>>> 3 Great Lake, Tasmania
>>> 1 Erie
>>> 1 Great Salt Lake
>>> 1 Michigan
>>> 1 Michigan-Huron
>>>
>>> Technically, Lakes Michigan and Huron are a single lake, since there's
>>> just a fairly wide passage between them rather than a river. I decided
>>> to count it as a distinct answer rather than a less specific answer.
>>>
>>> It surprised me that no one gave any of the African Great Lakes as an
>>> answer.
>>
>> I didn't enter because there was several questions I did not like.
>> Exactly what is a Great Lake? Spelt with capitals, one could interpret
>> it as it exactly one of the five lakes on the border between the US and
>> Canada. But apparently other answers were allowed, as some contestants
>> found out. So if there is Great in the name, that's OK? What is someone
>> had answered the Capsian Sea which is a very great lake? The salt lake
>> in Utah may have have Great in the name, but there are lot of lakes
>> that are greater than that one.
>>
>> It's part of the game that if you decide to bend the question that you
>> don't know exactly how the quizmaster will rule the answer. But at
>> least you should have an idea what the quizmaster has in mind, and
>> think this question fails that test.
>>
>>
> Based on the way the game has been played in the past, any ambiguity in
> the phrasing of an item can be exploited, although you run the risk of
> getting a wrong answer. That's part of the game.
>
> I'll admit that I deliberately left this item somewhat open. I was
> prepared to accept any answer which could legitimately be a Great Lake
> with capitals. Since the names of lakes are capitalized, then any lake
> with "Great" and "Lake" in its name would be acceptable. However, if a
> reviewer on the internet says that a particular lake was a "great lake
> for fishing", that would not be acceptable. The Caspian, despite being a
> very large lake, would not qualify unless the entrant came up with a
> good rationale for why it's a Great Lake and not just a great lake.

Interesting one Dan
To me, the Great Lakes were always those lakes between Canada and the
USA. However:
Not trying for an argument, but just a question.
How would you mark:
Smiths, Myall or Wallis Lake(s)?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Council>
<http://au.totaltravel.yahoo.com/destinations/destination/australia/nsw/
northcoastnsw/greatlakes/>

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 9:26 am
From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader)

Dan Tilque:

> Villa Hayes is named for Rutherford B Hayes. Apparently, he's something
> of a hero in Paraguay for ruling in that country's favor in a border
> dispute. Most US citizens barely know he existed.

And for people who *do* know he existed, in many cases what he's most
famous for is coming to power in an election more dubious than any
until 2000.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 3. Name a Great Lake.
...
> It surprised me that no one gave any of the African Great Lakes as an
> answer.

I considered it, but I felt that going that way was the obvious tricky
answer, so I was afraid of the sort of collision that I got into
by answering Earth for question 1. Also, there doesn't seem to be
complete agreement as to which ones count; and the term "great lakes"
isn't used for them all that much, so I wasn't even sure if they would
be accepted. If I'd guess that lakes of the form "Great <something>
Lake" would be, I might've named one of the two big ones in Canada.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 4. Give the make or model of an automobile or light truck which has an
> astronomical theme. The vehicle does not have to be currently in production.

> Everyone, please note the conjunction between "make" and "model" above.
> Despite it being "or", most people gave both a make and a model.

Of course -- that's how you avoid the trap of just giving "Washington"
instead of "Washington, DC". (If only I'd thought to *do* that on
question 2...) If you meant a model *name*, you should have said so.

> Several people gave the Ford Galaxy, which I'm going to guess was
> usually meant to be the large sedan from the 60s. That car was actually
> spelled Galaxie. It turns out that Ford is also making a minivan under
> the spelling of Galaxy. So these answers are distinct rather than Galaxy
> being treated as a misspelling. All parties benefitted, although the guy
> who answered Galaxie got the most benefit (Mark's spelling
> anal-retentiveness finally pays dividends.)

Harrumph.

Anyway, my answer wasn't the Ford Galaxie, it was the Ford Galaxie 500.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 5. Name an organized sport that has more than one mode of scoring. A
> mode of scoring is determined by the number of points (see definition
> 4.5) scored. ...

> Chess is not a sport (it's a board game),

Agreed.

> but even if it were, it does not have more than one mode of scoring.

It does by your definition -- 1 for a win, � for a tie.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> 7. Name a prime minister of Canada who served at least 2 years in that
> office.
...
> I do wonder if there are any valid answers from before 1867.

The English-language term "prime minister" is normally only used in the
federal government. In the pre-1867 colony of Canada, it was "premier",
the same as in the provinces today.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 9. Name material that bicycle frames are made of.
...
> I was unhappy about the scoring of a few answers here. But I'd be
> unhappy no matter how I scored them.

On top of these points, there's the matter of whether bamboo counts
as a type of wood, which people seem to disagree on.

> But then you get to the wood bicycles. The only bike frames I could find
> made of walnut or Bubinga wood are from Renovo Hardwood Bicycles. And in
> both cases, the frames are made of two different woods laminated
> together. ...

I'd be inclined to score them as wrong, in that case.
--
Mark Brader "It is hard to be brave", said Piglet, sniffing
Toronto slightly, "when you're only a Very Small Animal."
msb@vex.net -- A. A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

My text in this article is in the public domain.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:14 pm
From: Calvin

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:50:59 +1000, Kevin Stone
<newsNOSPAM@brainbashers.com> wrote:

>> 4. Give the make or model of an automobile or light truck which has an
>> astronomical theme. The vehicle does not have to be currently in
>> production.
>
>> I was looking for just one or the other.
>
> You quite clearly stated OR....
>
> ...I think you should disallow any answer that didn't answer the question
> asked.

I'd suggest just marking the first answer given and ignoring anything else.

cheers,
calvin

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TOPIC: QFTCI11 Game 1 Rounds 2-3: Lat.Am. cities, feet/footwear
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:35 am
From: Dan Tilque

Mark Brader wrote:
>
>
> * Game 1, Round 2 - Latin American Cities
>
> In honor of our peripatetic captain, Rodney, this round is about
> cities in Latin America -- which he departed for, the day after the
> captains' meeting, but after writing the round. (If you like, you
> can read about his travels at http://elgallopitagorico.blogspot.com
> -- that's El Gallo Pitagórico, the Pythagorean Chicken.)
>
> So, we'll give you the names of three cities or towns in the same
> Latin American country, and you name the country. Note that none
> of these are capital cities.
>
> 1. León, Granada, Estelí.

Costa Rica

>
> 2. Taxco, Guanajuato, Morelia.

Mexico

>
> 3. La Serena, Concepcion, Valparaiso.

Chile

>
> 4. Córdoba, Mendoza, La Plata.

Argentina

>
> 5. Cuenca, Vilcabamba, Loja.

Paraguay

>
> 6. Santa Cruz, Potosi, Cochabamba.

Colombia

>
> 7. Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Manaus.

Brazil

>
> 8. Quetzaltenango, Huehuetenango, Antigua.

Guatemala

>
> 9. Arequipa, Cusco, Trujillo.

Nicaragua

>
> 10. Santiago de los Caballeros, San Pedro de Macoris, Puerto
> Plata.

Bolivia

>
>
> * Game 1, Round 3 - Famous Footwear and Fabulous Feet
>
> 1. One heel of Achilles was left vulnerable since it was the
> only part of him that was not dipped in what body of water
> after his birth?
>
> 2. Ethiopian Abebe Bikila ran the marathon in a world-record
> time of 2:15:17 at the 1960 Olympics in Rome. What was
> unusual about his footwear?

he didn't wear any

>
> 3. This dancer and his sister (née Adele Austerlitz) had a
> successful vaudeville act. He signed with RKO Pictures
> in 1933. Name him.

Fred Astaire

>
> 4. What fabulous footwear set a new record for movie memorabilia
> by selling for $666,000 in 2000?

ruby slippers from The Wizard of Oz

>
> 5. The Bata shoe company, with headquarters later in Toronto and
> now in Switzerland, became the world's largest shoe exporter
> in 1929. It was founded in a certain city in 1894. Name any
> of the countries where that city has been located, from then
> until now, excluding the years of World War II.

Austria-Hungary

>
> 6. Prior to relocating its headquarters to Toronto, the Bata
> company had them in which small Ontario town?
>
> 7. Robert Pershing Wadlow, of Alton, Illinois, was not only
> the tallest man of all time, at almost 9 feet; he also had
> the largest feet on record at a length of 47 cm (18½ inches).
> So, within 3... what was his shoe size?

30 (US size)

>
> 8. What was the world's largest shoe manufacturer in 2008?

Nike

>
> 9. In December 2008, US president George W. Bush had shoes
> hurled at him at a news conference... in what city?

Baghdad

>
> 10. In February 1986, a certain president was deposed and fled
> his country. We were going to ask you you how many shoes his
> wife left behind in the presidential palace, but as it turns
> out, this was variously reported as all the way from 1,060
> up to 3,000 pairs. So instead we'll just ask for her name.
> First and last name required.
>

Imelda Marcos

--
Dan Tilque

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 10:07 am
From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader)

Mark Brader:
> These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2011-01-17,
> and should be interpreted accordingly... For further information
> see my 2011-05-23 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
> Inquisition (QFTCI5GNM, QFTCI11, QFTCIMM)".

> I did not write either of these rounds.

> * Game 1, Round 2 - Latin American Cities

> In honor of our peripatetic captain, Rodney, this round is about
> cities in Latin America -- which he departed for, the day after the
> captains' meeting, but after writing the round. (If you like, you
> can read about his travels at http://elgallopitagorico.blogspot.com
> -- that's El Gallo Pitagórico, the Pythagorean Chicken.)

> So, we'll give you the names of three cities or towns in the same
> Latin American country, and you name the country. Note that none
> of these are capital cities.

> 1. León, Granada, Estelí.

Nicaragua. 4 for Jeff.

> 2. Taxco, Guanajuato, Morelia.

Mexico. 4 for Joshua, Bruce, Pete, Marc, and Dan Tilque.
3 for Calvin and Dan Blum.

> 3. La Serena, Concepcion, Valparaiso.

Chile. 4 for Erland, Joshua, Bruce, Pete, and Dan Tilque.

> 4. Córdoba, Mendoza, La Plata.

Argentina. 4 for Erland, Bruce, Jeff, Pete, and Dan Tilque.
3 for Calvin and Joshua.

> 5. Cuenca, Vilcabamba, Loja.

Ecuador.

> 6. Santa Cruz, Potosi, Cochabamba.

Bolivia. 4 for Erland, Jeff, and Pete.

> 7. Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Manaus.

Brazil. 4 for Erland, Calvin, Joshua, Pete, and Dan Tilque.

> 8. Quetzaltenango, Huehuetenango, Antigua.

Guatemala. 4 for Joshua, Jeff, Marc, and Dan Tilque. 3 for Dan Blum.

> 9. Arequipa, Cusco, Trujillo.

Peru. 4 for Joshua, Pete, and Marc.

> 10. Santiago de los Caballeros, San Pedro de Macoris, Puerto
> Plata.

Dominican Republic. 4 for Joshua and Marc. 2 for Pete.

> * Game 1, Round 3 - Famous Footwear and Fabulous Feet

> 1. One heel of Achilles was left vulnerable since it was the
> only part of him that was not dipped in what body of water
> after his birth?

River Styx. 4 for Calvin, Joshua, Bruce, Jeff, Dan Blum, and Marc.

> 2. Ethiopian Abebe Bikila ran the marathon in a world-record
> time of 2:15:17 at the 1960 Olympics in Rome. What was
> unusual about his footwear?

He wore none. 4 for Erland, Calvin, Joshua, Bruce, Jeff, Pete,
Marc, and Dan Tilque. 3 for Dan Blum.

> 3. This dancer and his sister (née Adele Austerlitz) had a
> successful vaudeville act. He signed with RKO Pictures
> in 1933. Name him.

Frederic Austerlitz, better known as Fred Astaire (accepting
either). 4 for Calvin, Joshua, Bruce, Jeff, Dan Blum, Pete, Marc,
and Dan Tilque.

> 4. What fabulous footwear set a new record for movie memorabilia
> by selling for $666,000 in 2000?

A pair of "ruby" slippers from "The Wizard of Oz". (The record was
later broken by a poster from "Metropolis".) 4 for Calvin, Joshua,
Bruce, Jeff, Dan Blum, Pete, Marc, and Dan Tilque.

> 5. The Bata shoe company, with headquarters later in Toronto and
> now in Switzerland, became the world's largest shoe exporter
> in 1929. It was founded in a certain city in 1894. Name any
> of the countries where that city has been located, from then
> until now, excluding the years of World War II.

The city is is Zlin, and the intended answers were Austria-Hungary
(or Austro-Hungarian Empire), Czechoslovakia, and the Czech Republic.

The World War II exclusion, which was my edit before the original
game, was intended to cover the period of German occupation, so that
I didn't have to whether to count the Protectorate of Bohemia and
Moravia as a country or as part of Germany. However, on reviewing
this, I realize that the occupation actually came before the outbreak
of war (although it was in 1939, which was a "year of" the war).
Anyway, I have decided to give the entrant who said Germany the
benefit of the doubt and accept that answer.

So, 4 for Jeff and Dan Tilque. 3 for Calvin, Joshua, and Pete.

> 6. Prior to relocating its headquarters to Toronto, the Bata
> company had them in which small Ontario town?

Batawa (of course).

> 7. Robert Pershing Wadlow, of Alton, Illinois, was not only
> the tallest man of all time, at almost 9 feet; he also had
> the largest feet on record at a length of 47 cm (18½ inches).
> So, within 3... what was his shoe size?

37 (accepting 34-40). 4 for Jeff.

> 8. What was the world's largest shoe manufacturer in 2008?

Nike. They reported record revenues of $18.6 billion in 2008.
4 for Erland, Joshua, Jeff, and Dan Tilque. 3 for Dan Blum and Pete.
2 for Calvin.

> 9. In December 2008, US president George W. Bush had shoes
> hurled at him at a news conference... in what city?

Baghdad. 4 for Erland, Joshua, Jeff, Dan Blum, Pete, Marc,
and Dan Tilque.

> 10. In February 1986, a certain president was deposed and fled
> his country. We were going to ask you you how many shoes his
> wife left behind in the presidential palace, but as it turns
> out, this was variously reported as all the way from 1,060
> up to 3,000 pairs. So instead we'll just ask for her name.
> First and last name required.

Imelda Marcos. 4 for everyone -- Erland, Calvin, Joshua, Bruce,
Jeff, Dan Blum, Pete, Marc, and Dan Tilque.

Scores, if there are no errors:

ROUNDS-> 2 3 TOTALS
TOPICS-> Geo Mis
Joshua Kreitzer 27 31 58
Pete Gayde 26 26 52
Jeff Turner 16 36 52
Dan Tilque 20 28 48
Marc Dashevsky 16 24 40
"Calvin" 10 25 35
Dan Blum 6 26 32
Bruce Bowler 12 20 32
Erland Sommarskog 16 16 32

--
Mark Brader "When a supposedly indivisible transaction
Toronto fails to complete properly, this is known
msb@vex.net as an atomic bomb." -- Peter Neumann

My text in this article is in the public domain.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 11:47 am
From: Erland Sommarskog

Mark Brader (msb@vex.net) writes:

>> 7. Robert Pershing Wadlow, of Alton, Illinois, was not only
>> the tallest man of all time, at almost 9 feet; he also had
>> the largest feet on record at a length of 47 cm (18� inches).
>> So, within 3... what was his shoe size?
>
> 37 (accepting 34-40). 4 for Jeff.

I realize that the setting is a pub in Toronto, but where I sit 37
would be a very small size for a man! (It's a normal size for women.
Men's shoes are usually in the range 39-45.(

--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 12:02 pm
From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader)

Mark Brader:
>>> 7. Robert Pershing Wadlow, of Alton, Illinois, was not only
>>> the tallest man of all time, at almost 9 feet; he also had
>>> the largest feet on record at a length of 47 cm (18½ inches).
>>> So, within 3... what was his shoe size?

>> 37 (accepting 34-40). 4 for Jeff.

Erland Sommarskog:
> I realize that the setting is a pub in Toronto,

Actually, this question is about show sizes in Illinois.

> but where I sit 37 would be a very small size for a man!

In the US, UK, and Canada, the typical range of men's shoe sizes
is something like 7 to 13 -- I could be a bit off at the extremes --
in steps of ½. Google for a picture of a "Brannock device", used
to measure feet.

I wonder if there are any countries where the size of the shoe is
simply a measurement given directly, like the way men's trousers
(here at least) are identified by waist measurement.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | I usually sign my name "J O backspace o h n"
msb@vex.net | -- John Chew

My text in this article is in the public domain.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 12:07 pm
From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader)

Mark Brader:
> Actually, this question is about show sizes in Illinois.

Actually, that question was about shoe sizes in Illinois.
--
Mark Brader "Poor spelling does not prove poor knowledge,
Toronto but is fatal to the argument by intimidation."
msb@vex.net -- Gene Ward Smith

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TOPIC: Gary Sokolich Rap Sheet? #702
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trivia/t/3e585847ab14888b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:35 am
From: Gary Sokolisch

702

http://www.manta.com/c/mmlq5dm/w-gary-sokolich
W Gary Sokolich
801 Kings Road
Newport Beach, CA 92663-5715
(949) 650-5379

http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/da/da022808.htm

TEXAS BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS
February 28, 2008 Board Meeting Disciplinary Actions

W. Gary Sokolich , Newport Beach, California – File B-29812 - It was
alleged that Dr. Sokolich unlawfully offered or attempted to practice
engineering in Texas (...) Dr. Sokolich chose to end the proceedings by
signing a Consent Order that was accepted by the Board to cease and desist
from representing himself as an "Engineer" in Texas, from any and all
representations that he can offer or perform engineering services and from
the actual practice of engineering in Texas (...) Dr. Sokolich was also
assessed a $1,360.00 administrative penalty.

_______________

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-04-14/local/me-1922_1_ucla-researcher

A former UCLA physiologist has agreed to provide copies of his research to
the school to settle a lawsuit the university filed against him in 1985,
lawyers in the case said.

(...)

The University of California Board of Regents filed a $620,000 lawsuit
against Sokolich, accusing him of taking research on the hearing
capabilities of animals in June, 1982. Sokolich was dismissed by UCLA
(...).

(...)

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TOPIC: Calvin's Quiz #138
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trivia/t/fa723f95b1b651f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 6:36 am
From: "Rob Parker"

> 1 Colour by Numbers was a hit 1983 album for which band?

Culture Club

> 2 Glenn Close and John Malkovich co-starred in which 1988 film?

Being John Malkovich (? - seems too recent; I remember not going to see it)

> 3 Which fashion magazine is the subject of the 2009 film The September
issue?

Vogue (?)

> 4 Who composed the music for Jaws and the Star Wars movies?

John Williams (?)

> 5 The Baht is the currency unit of which Asian country?

Thailand

> 6 Which major legal system also known as Islamic law?

Sharia Law

> 7 Who wrote the 1814 novel Emma?

no idea

> 8 Who was president of North Vietnam from 1945–1969?

Ho Chi Mhin

> 9 What was the name of the doctor wrongly convicted of murder in The
> Fugitive?

Richard Kimble

> 10 What is iron pyrite better known as?

Fool's gold

Rob

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 9:07 pm
From: Calvin

On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:46:59 +1000, Calvin <calvin@phlegm.com> wrote:

> 1 Colour by Numbers was a hit 1983 album for which band?

Culture Club
6/11
Incorrect guesses included Led Zeppelin, Kajagogo and Pope Pius XII.
Bizarre.

> 2 Glenn Close and John Malkovich co-starred in which 1988 film?

Dangerous Liaisons
5/11

> 3 Which fashion magazine is the subject of the 2009 film The September
> issue?

[American] Vogue
9/11

> 4 Who composed the music for Jaws and the Star Wars movies?

John Williams
9/11
Also a great default answer for any movie score question :-)

> 5 The Baht is the currency unit of which Asian country?

Thailand
9/11

> 6 Which major legal system also known as Islamic law?

Sharia
11/11

> 7 Who wrote the 1814 novel Emma?

Jane Austen
6/11

> 8 Who was president of North Vietnam from 1945–1969?

Ho Chi Minh
11/11
To be precise, prime minister (1945–1955) and then president (1945–1969)

> 9 What was the name of the doctor wrongly convicted of murder in The
> Fugitive?

Dr Richard Kimble
8/11

> 10 What is iron pyrite better known as?

Fool's Gold
10/11

Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q5 Q6 Q7 Q8 Q9 Q10 TOTAL Quiz 138
- - - - - - - - - - --- ----------
0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 5 Dan Tilque
0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 4 Erland S
1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 6 Jeffrey Turner
1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 9 John Masters
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 10 Joshua Kreitzer
1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 9 Marc Dashevsky
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 8 Mark Brader
0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 6 Pete Gayde
1 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 8 Rob Parker
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9 Stan Brown
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 10 Stephen Perry
- - - - - - - - - - --- ----------
6 5 9 9 9 11 6 11 8 10 84 TOTAL
76%

Good to see Joshua playing, and sharing the spoils.

cheers,
calvin

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TOPIC: QFTCI11 Game 1 Rounds 4,6: scientists, lawyers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trivia/t/55c79773f890e9de?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 10:10 am
From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader)

These questions were written to be asked in Toronto on 2011-01-17,
and should be interpreted accordingly.

On each question you may give up to two answers, but if you give
both a right answer and a wrong answer, there is a small penalty.
Please post all your answers in a single followup to the newsgroup,
based only on your own knowledge. (In your answer posting, quote
the questions and place your answer below each one.) I will reveal
the correct answers in about 3 days. For further information see
my 2011-05-23 companion posting on "Questions from the Canadian
Inquisition (QFTCI5GNM, QFTCI11, QFTCIMM)".

I wrote both of these rounds.

* Game 1, Round 4 - Name Their Field

This is the science round. For each question we will name four
people who have worked in the same field, and you must name
that field. Each list is in order by date of birth.

1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).

2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).

3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).

4. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), Louis Agassiz (1807-73), Walter
Alvarez (1940-), Robert Bakker ("backer"; 1945-).

5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
("oiler"; 1707-83).

6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
(1912-2006).

7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).

8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).

9. Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Andrija Mohorovicic ("AHN-dree-uh
mo-ho-RO-veech-eech"; 1857-1936), Alfred Wegener
("VAY-ghen-er"; 1880-1930), J. Tuzo Wilson (1908-93).

10. Flavio Biondo (1392-1463), Heinrich Schliemann (1822-90),
Arthur Evans (1851-1941), Howard Carter (1874-1939).

* Game 1, Round 6 - Famous Lawyers

A career as an attorney is sometimes a stepping-stone to one as a
judge, politician, or novelist. The ten people we're asking about,
however, are most famous for their work as lawyers in court.

In each case, name the lawyer. Except as noted, all are American.
By the way, we will be asking questions about more than one laywer
involved in some of the same legal cases.

1. In 1924, Richard Loeb and Nathan Leopold pleaded guilty
to murdering a 14-year-old boy for fun, but their lawyer
successfully argued that they should not be executed.
The next year he appeared at the so-called "monkey trial",
representing John Scopes, who was charged with teaching
about evolution. He won that one on appeal. Name this
famous defense attorney who lived 1857-1938.

2. Perhaps Canada's most famous defense attorney, his clients
have included Karlheinz Schreiber, Garth Drabinsky, Gerald
Regan, and Conrad Black. He was born in 1944 and lives
in Toronto.

3. This man lived 1912-2004 and was a solicitor-general and
a law professor. But his greatest fame came in 1973 when he
was appointed as the special prosecutor leading the Watergate
investigation -- a job he did so well that later the same
year President Nixon had him fired. This event was nicknamed
the Saturday Night Massacre, because Nixon's attorney-general
and deputy attorney-general both resigned in protest. Hint:
His surname was 3 letters long.

4. <answer 3>'s successor as Watergate special prosecutor
had previously prosecuted German war crimes, and defended
the legality of Lyndon Johnson's simultaneous candidacy for
senate and vice-president in 1960. He did the Watergate
job so well that by 1974 Nixon was facing impeachment and
chose to resign instead. Name this lawyer who lived 1905-82.

5. This laywer, who lived 1937-2005, was once stopped by police
for driving a Rolls-Royce while black. It turned out all
right once they noticed his badge of office as a prosecutor.
Later he returned to the defense side, with celebrity clients
including Michael Jackson. But he's probably most famous for
7 words spoken in another celebrity case: "If it doesn't fit,
you must acquit." It didn't, and they did.

6. Please decode the rot13 for the next three questions only
after finishing the questions above. Guvf synzoblnag
nggbearl, obea va 1933, jnf nyfb ba B.W. Fvzcfba'f qrsrafr
grnz. Ur unq cerivbhfyl ercerfragrq Pncg. Rearfg Zrqvan,
va pbaarpgvba jvgu gur Zl Ynv znffnper; Nyoreg qr Fnyib, gur
Obfgba Fgenatyre; naq Cngevpvn Urnefg. Sbyybjvat punetrf
gung ur zvfnccebcevngrq shaqf sebz uvf pyvragf, ur jnf
qvfoneerq va pregnva fgngrf naq freirq 43 qnlf va cevfba.

7. N guveq B.W. Fvzcfba ynljre vf n fcrpvnyvfg va QAN rivqrapr,
obea va 1949. Ur vf n pb-sbhaqre bs gur Vaabprapr Cebwrpg,
juvpu hfrf QAN grfgvat gb erirefr jebatshy pbaivpgvbaf
qngvat sebz orsber vg jnf ninvynoyr. Va yngr 2010 ur
nccrnerq nf n punenpgre va gur zbivr "Pbaivpgvba" (cynlrq
ol Crgre Tnyynture) naq va na rcvfbqr bs "Gur Tbbq Jvsr"
(cynlvat uvzfrys).

8. N sbhegu B.W. Fvzcfba ynjlre jnf n pvivy yvoregvrf fcrpvnyvfg,
obea va 1938. Uvf rneyvre pnfrf vapyhqrq gur nccrnyf bs
Uneel Errzf naq Pynhf iba Ohybj nsgre gurve pbaivpgvbaf ba
cbeabtencul naq zheqre punetrf erfcrpgviryl. Gur iba Ohybj
nccrny jnf gur onfvf bs gur zbivr "Erirefny bs Sbeghar",
jvgu Eba Fvyire cynlvat guvf ynjlre.

9. This man lived 1907-96 and was nicknamed "The King of Torts":
his clients in civil cases won over $600 million between them.
He was less successful as Jack Ruby's defense attorney
following the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald. He also did
a little acting, including one appearance as a villainous
entity on "Star Trek".

10. This man was born in 1934 and his most famous cases were as
the district attorney for Los Angeles County. In particular,
he prosecuted Charles Manson and his followers for the 1971
murders of Sharon Tate and six others. In a 2008 book he
suggested that, for starting the Iraq War based on a lie,
President Bush should not only have been impeached but also
prosecuted on thousands of counts of murder.

--
Mark Brader "If cars were designed the same way as software is
Toronto today, they'd all have buggy-whip holders..."
msb@vex.net -- Marcus J. Ranum

My text in this article is in the public domain.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 11:23 am
From: Marc Dashevsky

In article <lsidnfIAA6TtsGPQnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@vex.net>, msb@vex.net says...
> * Game 1, Round 4 - Name Their Field
>
> This is the science round. For each question we will name four
> people who have worked in the same field, and you must name
> that field. Each list is in order by date of birth.
>
> 1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
> Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).
physics

> 2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
> O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).
biology

> 3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
> Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).
astronomy

> 4. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), Louis Agassiz (1807-73), Walter
> Alvarez (1940-), Robert Bakker ("backer"; 1945-).
paleontology

> 5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
> Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
> ("oiler"; 1707-83).
mathematics

> 6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
> Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
> (1912-2006).
economics

> 7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
> Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).
medicine

> 8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
> Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).
chemistry

> 9. Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Andrija Mohorovicic ("AHN-dree-uh
> mo-ho-RO-veech-eech"; 1857-1936), Alfred Wegener
> ("VAY-ghen-er"; 1880-1930), J. Tuzo Wilson (1908-93).
geology

> 10. Flavio Biondo (1392-1463), Heinrich Schliemann (1822-90),
> Arthur Evans (1851-1941), Howard Carter (1874-1939).
archaeology

> * Game 1, Round 6 - Famous Lawyers
>
> A career as an attorney is sometimes a stepping-stone to one as a
> judge, politician, or novelist. The ten people we're asking about,
> however, are most famous for their work as lawyers in court.
>
> In each case, name the lawyer. Except as noted, all are American.
> By the way, we will be asking questions about more than one laywer
> involved in some of the same legal cases.
>
> 1. In 1924, Richard Loeb and Nathan Leopold pleaded guilty
> to murdering a 14-year-old boy for fun, but their lawyer
> successfully argued that they should not be executed.
> The next year he appeared at the so-called "monkey trial",
> representing John Scopes, who was charged with teaching
> about evolution. He won that one on appeal. Name this
> famous defense attorney who lived 1857-1938.
Clarence Darrow

> 2. Perhaps Canada's most famous defense attorney, his clients
> have included Karlheinz Schreiber, Garth Drabinsky, Gerald
> Regan, and Conrad Black. He was born in 1944 and lives
> in Toronto.
>
> 3. This man lived 1912-2004 and was a solicitor-general and
> a law professor. But his greatest fame came in 1973 when he
> was appointed as the special prosecutor leading the Watergate
> investigation -- a job he did so well that later the same
> year President Nixon had him fired. This event was nicknamed
> the Saturday Night Massacre, because Nixon's attorney-general
> and deputy attorney-general both resigned in protest. Hint:
> His surname was 3 letters long.
Archibald Cox

> 4. <answer 3>'s successor as Watergate special prosecutor
> had previously prosecuted German war crimes, and defended
> the legality of Lyndon Johnson's simultaneous candidacy for
> senate and vice-president in 1960. He did the Watergate
> job so well that by 1974 Nixon was facing impeachment and
> chose to resign instead. Name this lawyer who lived 1905-82.
Jaworsky

> 5. This laywer, who lived 1937-2005, was once stopped by police
> for driving a Rolls-Royce while black. It turned out all
> right once they noticed his badge of office as a prosecutor.
> Later he returned to the defense side, with celebrity clients
> including Michael Jackson. But he's probably most famous for
> 7 words spoken in another celebrity case: "If it doesn't fit,
> you must acquit." It didn't, and they did.
Johnny Cochran

> 7. N guveq B.W. Fvzcfba ynljre vf n fcrpvnyvfg va QAN rivqrapr,
> obea va 1949. Ur vf n pb-sbhaqre bs gur Vaabprapr Cebwrpg,
> juvpu hfrf QAN grfgvat gb erirefr jebatshy pbaivpgvbaf
> qngvat sebz orsber vg jnf ninvynoyr. Va yngr 2010 ur
> nccrnerq nf n punenpgre va gur zbivr "Pbaivpgvba" (cynlrq
> ol Crgre Tnyynture) naq va na rcvfbqr bs "Gur Tbbq Jvsr"
> (cynlvat uvzfrys).
>
> 8. N sbhegu B.W. Fvzcfba ynjlre jnf n pvivy yvoregvrf fcrpvnyvfg,
> obea va 1938. Uvf rneyvre pnfrf vapyhqrq gur nccrnyf bs
> Uneel Errzf naq Pynhf iba Ohybj nsgre gurve pbaivpgvbaf ba
> cbeabtencul naq zheqre punetrf erfcrpgviryl. Gur iba Ohybj
> nccrny jnf gur onfvf bs gur zbivr "Erirefny bs Sbeghar",
> jvgu Eba Fvyire cynlvat guvf ynjlre.
Alan Dershowitz

> 9. This man lived 1907-96 and was nicknamed "The King of Torts":
> his clients in civil cases won over $600 million between them.
> He was less successful as Jack Ruby's defense attorney
> following the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald. He also did
> a little acting, including one appearance as a villainous
> entity on "Star Trek".
Melvin Belli

> 10. This man was born in 1934 and his most famous cases were as
> the district attorney for Los Angeles County. In particular,
> he prosecuted Charles Manson and his followers for the 1971
> murders of Sharon Tate and six others. In a 2008 book he
> suggested that, for starting the Iraq War based on a lie,
> President Bush should not only have been impeached but also
> prosecuted on thousands of counts of murder.

--
Go to http://MarcDashevsky.com to send me e-mail.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 11:50 am
From: Erland Sommarskog

Mark Brader (msb@vex.net) writes:
> 1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
> Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).

Nuclear physics

> 2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
> O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).

Biology

> 3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
> Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).

Astronomy

> 5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
> Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
> ("oiler"; 1707-83).

Mathematics

> 6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
> Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
> (1912-2006).

Economy

> 7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
> Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).

Medicine

> 8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
> Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).

Chemistry

--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, esquel@sommarskog.se

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 12:31 pm
From: Stan Brown

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:10:08 -0500, Mark Brader wrote:
>
> * Game 1, Round 4 - Name Their Field
>
> This is the science round. For each question we will name four
> people who have worked in the same field, and you must name
> that field. Each list is in order by date of birth.
>
> 1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
> Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).

Physics

> 2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
> O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).

Biology

> 3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
> Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).

Astronomy

> 4. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), Louis Agassiz (1807-73), Walter
> Alvarez (1940-), Robert Bakker ("backer"; 1945-).

Paleontology

> 5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
> Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
> ("oiler"; 1707-83).

Mathematics

(Would that be "oi-kl@d" also? :-)

> 6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
> Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
> (1912-2006).

Economics

> 7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
> Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).

Medicine

> 8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
> Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).

Chemistry

> 9. Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Andrija Mohorovicic ("AHN-dree-uh
> mo-ho-RO-veech-eech"; 1857-1936), Alfred Wegener
> ("VAY-ghen-er"; 1880-1930), J. Tuzo Wilson (1908-93).

Geology

> 10. Flavio Biondo (1392-1463), Heinrich Schliemann (1822-90),
> Arthur Evans (1851-1941), Howard Carter (1874-1939).

Archaeology

> * Game 1, Round 6 - Famous Lawyers
>
> A career as an attorney is sometimes a stepping-stone to one as a
> judge, politician, or novelist. The ten people we're asking about,
> however, are most famous for their work as lawyers in court.
>
> In each case, name the lawyer. Except as noted, all are American.
> By the way, we will be asking questions about more than one laywer
> involved in some of the same legal cases.
>
> 1. In 1924, Richard Loeb and Nathan Leopold pleaded guilty
> to murdering a 14-year-old boy for fun, but their lawyer
> successfully argued that they should not be executed.
> The next year he appeared at the so-called "monkey trial",
> representing John Scopes, who was charged with teaching
> about evolution. He won that one on appeal. Name this
> famous defense attorney who lived 1857-1938.

Darrow

Cox

> 4. <answer 3>'s successor as Watergate special prosecutor
> had previously prosecuted German war crimes, and defended
> the legality of Lyndon Johnson's simultaneous candidacy for
> senate and vice-president in 1960. He did the Watergate
> job so well that by 1974 Nixon was facing impeachment and
> chose to resign instead. Name this lawyer who lived 1905-82.

Jaworski

Cochran

> 6. Please decode the rot13 for the next three questions only
> after finishing the questions above. Guvf synzoblnag
> nggbearl, obea va 1933, jnf nyfb ba B.W. Fvzcfba'f qrsrafr
> grnz. Ur unq cerivbhfyl ercerfragrq Pncg. Rearfg Zrqvan,
> va pbaarpgvba jvgu gur Zl Ynv znffnper; Nyoreg qr Fnyib, gur
> Obfgba Fgenatyre; naq Cngevpvn Urnefg. Sbyybjvat punetrf
> gung ur zvfnccebcevngrq shaqf sebz uvf pyvragf, ur jnf
> qvfoneerq va pregnva fgngrf naq freirq 43 qnlf va cevfba.
>
> 7. N guveq B.W. Fvzcfba ynljre vf n fcrpvnyvfg va QAN rivqrapr,
> obea va 1949. Ur vf n pb-sbhaqre bs gur Vaabprapr Cebwrpg,
> juvpu hfrf QAN grfgvat gb erirefr jebatshy pbaivpgvbaf
> qngvat sebz orsber vg jnf ninvynoyr. Va yngr 2010 ur
> nccrnerq nf n punenpgre va gur zbivr "Pbaivpgvba" (cynlrq
> ol Crgre Tnyynture) naq va na rcvfbqr bs "Gur Tbbq Jvsr"
> (cynlvat uvzfrys).
>
> 8. N sbhegu B.W. Fvzcfba ynjlre jnf n pvivy yvoregvrf fcrpvnyvfg,
> obea va 1938. Uvf rneyvre pnfrf vapyhqrq gur nccrnyf bs
> Uneel Errzf naq Pynhf iba Ohybj nsgre gurve pbaivpgvbaf ba
> cbeabtencul naq zheqre punetrf erfcrpgviryl. Gur iba Ohybj
> nccrny jnf gur onfvf bs gur zbivr "Erirefny bs Sbeghar",
> jvgu Eba Fvyire cynlvat guvf ynjlre.
>
> 9. This man lived 1907-96 and was nicknamed "The King of Torts":
> his clients in civil cases won over $600 million between them.
> He was less successful as Jack Ruby's defense attorney
> following the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald. He also did
> a little acting, including one appearance as a villainous
> entity on "Star Trek".

Belli

Bugliosi

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 1:40 pm
From: tool@panix.com (Dan Blum)

Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote:

> 1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
> Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).

physics

> 2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
> O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).

biology

> 3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
> Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).

astronomy

> 4. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), Louis Agassiz (1807-73), Walter
> Alvarez (1940-), Robert Bakker ("backer"; 1945-).

paleontology

> 5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
> Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
> ("oiler"; 1707-83).

mathematics

> 6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
> Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
> (1912-2006).

economics

> 7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
> Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).

medicine

> 8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
> Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).

chemistry

> 9. Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Andrija Mohorovicic ("AHN-dree-uh
> mo-ho-RO-veech-eech"; 1857-1936), Alfred Wegener
> ("VAY-ghen-er"; 1880-1930), J. Tuzo Wilson (1908-93).

geology

> 10. Flavio Biondo (1392-1463), Heinrich Schliemann (1822-90),
> Arthur Evans (1851-1941), Howard Carter (1874-1939).

archaeology

> * Game 1, Round 6 - Famous Lawyers

> 1. In 1924, Richard Loeb and Nathan Leopold pleaded guilty
> to murdering a 14-year-old boy for fun, but their lawyer
> successfully argued that they should not be executed.
> The next year he appeared at the so-called "monkey trial",
> representing John Scopes, who was charged with teaching
> about evolution. He won that one on appeal. Name this
> famous defense attorney who lived 1857-1938.

Darrow

> 3. This man lived 1912-2004 and was a solicitor-general and
> a law professor. But his greatest fame came in 1973 when he
> was appointed as the special prosecutor leading the Watergate
> investigation -- a job he did so well that later the same
> year President Nixon had him fired. This event was nicknamed
> the Saturday Night Massacre, because Nixon's attorney-general
> and deputy attorney-general both resigned in protest. Hint:
> His surname was 3 letters long.

Cox

Cochran

Bailey

Deutsch

> 8. N sbhegu B.W. Fvzcfba ynjlre jnf n pvivy yvoregvrf fcrpvnyvfg,
> obea va 1938. Uvf rneyvre pnfrf vapyhqrq gur nccrnyf bs
> Uneel Errzf naq Pynhf iba Ohybj nsgre gurve pbaivpgvbaf ba
> cbeabtencul naq zheqre punetrf erfcrpgviryl. Gur iba Ohybj
> nccrny jnf gur onfvf bs gur zbivr "Erirefny bs Sbeghar",
> jvgu Eba Fvyire cynlvat guvf ynjlre.

Dershowitz

Belli

--
_______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum tool@panix.com
"I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't just made it up."

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 3:53 pm
From: Calvin

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 03:10:08 +1000, Mark Brader <msb@vex.net> wrote:

> * Game 1, Round 4 - Name Their Field
>
> This is the science round. For each question we will name four
> people who have worked in the same field, and you must name
> that field. Each list is in order by date of birth.
>
> 1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
> Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).

Physics

> 2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
> O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).

Biology

> 3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
> Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).

Astronomy

> 4. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), Louis Agassiz (1807-73), Walter
> Alvarez (1940-), Robert Bakker ("backer"; 1945-).

Geology?

> 5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
> Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
> ("oiler"; 1707-83).

Mathematics

> 6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
> Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
> (1912-2006).

The Dismal Science :-)

> 7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
> Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).

Medicine

> 8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
> Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).

Chemistry

> 9. Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Andrija Mohorovicic ("AHN-dree-uh
> mo-ho-RO-veech-eech"; 1857-1936), Alfred Wegener
> ("VAY-ghen-er"; 1880-1930), J. Tuzo Wilson (1908-93).

Geology?

> 10. Flavio Biondo (1392-1463), Heinrich Schliemann (1822-90),
> Arthur Evans (1851-1941), Howard Carter (1874-1939).

Egyptology?

> * Game 1, Round 6 - Famous Lawyers
>
> 5. This laywer, who lived 1937-2005, was once stopped by police
> for driving a Rolls-Royce while black. It turned out all
> right once they noticed his badge of office as a prosecutor.
> Later he returned to the defense side, with celebrity clients
> including Michael Jackson. But he's probably most famous for
> 7 words spoken in another celebrity case: "If it doesn't fit,
> you must acquit." It didn't, and they did.
>6. Please decode the rot13 for the next three questions only
> after finishing the questions above. Guvf synzoblnag
> nggbearl, obea va 1933, jnf nyfb ba B.W. Fvzcfba'f qrsrafr
> grnz. Ur unq cerivbhfyl ercerfragrq Pncg. Rearfg Zrqvan,
> va pbaarpgvba jvgu gur Zl Ynv znffnper; Nyoreg qr Fnyib, gur
> Obfgba Fgenatyre; naq Cngevpvn Urnefg. Sbyybjvat punetrf
> gung ur zvfnccebcevngrq shaqf sebz uvf pyvragf, ur jnf
> qvfoneerq va pregnva fgngrf naq freirq 43 qnlf va cevfba.
>
> 7. N guveq B.W. Fvzcfba ynljre vf n fcrpvnyvfg va QAN rivqrapr,
> obea va 1949. Ur vf n pb-sbhaqre bs gur Vaabprapr Cebwrpg,
> juvpu hfrf QAN grfgvat gb erirefr jebatshy pbaivpgvbaf
> qngvat sebz orsber vg jnf ninvynoyr. Va yngr 2010 ur
> nccrnerq nf n punenpgre va gur zbivr "Pbaivpgvba" (cynlrq
> ol Crgre Tnyynture) naq va na rcvfbqr bs "Gur Tbbq Jvsr"
> (cynlvat uvzfrys).
>
> 8. N sbhegu B.W. Fvzcfba ynjlre jnf n pvivy yvoregvrf fcrpvnyvfg,
> obea va 1938. Uvf rneyvre pnfrf vapyhqrq gur nccrnyf bs
> Uneel Errzf naq Pynhf iba Ohybj nsgre gurve pbaivpgvbaf ba
> cbeabtencul naq zheqre punetrf erfcrpgviryl. Gur iba Ohybj
> nccrny jnf gur onfvf bs gur zbivr "Erirefny bs Sbeghar",
> jvgu Eba Fvyire cynlvat guvf ynjlre.

One of these must be Kardashian.

cheers,
calvin

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 7:06 pm
From: "Rob Parker"

> * Game 1, Round 4 - Name Their Field
>
> 1. Max Planck (1858-1947), Ernest Rutherford (1871-1937),
> Enrico Fermi (1901-54), Richard Feynman (1918-88).

Physics

> 2. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-78), Rachel Carson (1907-64), Edward
> O. Wilson (1929-), Jane Goodall (1934-).

Biology

> 3. Tycho Brahe (1546-1601), Edmond Halley (1656-1742), William
> Herschel (1738-1822), Clyde Tombaugh (1906-97).

Astronomy

> 4. Georges Cuvier (1769-1832), Louis Agassiz (1807-73), Walter
> Alvarez (1940-), Robert Bakker ("backer"; 1945-).

Paleontology

> 5. Euclid (c.325-270 BC), Pierre de Fermat (c.1601 - 1665),
> Gottfried Leibniz ("LIBE-nitz"; 1646-1716), Leonhard Euler
> ("oiler"; 1707-83).

Mathematics

> 6. Adam Smith (1723-90), Thomas Malthus (1766-1834), John
> Maynard Keynes ("canes"; 1883-1946), Milton Friedman
> (1912-2006).

Economics

> 7. William Harvey (1578-1657), Walter Reed (1851-1902), Jonas
> Salk (1914-95), Christiaan Barnard (1922-2001).

Medicine

> 8. Joseph Priestley (1733-1804), Antoine Lavoisier (1743-94),
> Felix Hoffmann (1868-1946), Francis Crick (1916-2004).

Chemistry

> 9. Charles Lyell (1797-1875), Andrija Mohorovicic ("AHN-dree-uh
> mo-ho-RO-veech-eech"; 1857-1936), Alfred Wegener
> ("VAY-ghen-er"; 1880-1930), J. Tuzo Wilson (1908-93).

Geology

> 10. Flavio Biondo (1392-1463), Heinrich Schliemann (1822-90),
> Arthur Evans (1851-1941), Howard Carter (1874-1939).

Archeology

Clarence Darrow

Rob

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 19 2011 9:12 pm
From: Calvin

Bit of Aussie bias in this one, but it's no worse than the Obscure Pubs of
Toronto round :-)

1 Which part of the body is affected by Meniere's Disease?
2 Julia Gillard was born in which country?
3 What colour is Superman's cape?
4 Which Australian mammal is also known as an ornithorhynchus?
5 What is the maximum number of clubs a golfer may have in his bag during
a round?
6 Which architect designed London's St Paul's Cathedral?
7 Which day of the year is All Saints Day?
8 Kenneth Grahame wrote which 1908 children's book?
9 Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd co-starred in which 1980s TV series?
10 Peter Lalor was the leader of which 19th century rebellion?

cheers,
calvin

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