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* Calvin's Quiz #138 - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Calvin's Quiz #138
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trivia/t/fa723f95b1b651f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 17 2011 8:20 pm
From: Joshua Kreitzer


On Jun 16, 5:46 pm, Calvin <cal...@phlegm.com> wrote:
> 1       Colour by Numbers was a hit 1983 album for which band?

Culture Club

> 2       Glenn Close and John Malkovich co-starred in which 1988 film?

"Dangerous Liaisons"

> 3       Which fashion magazine is the subject of the 2009 film The September  
> issue?

Vogue

> 4       Who composed the music for Jaws and the Star Wars movies?

John Williams

> 5       The Baht is the currency unit of which Asian country?

Thailand

> 6       Which major legal system also known as Islamic law?

Sharia

> 7       Who wrote the 1814 novel Emma?

Jane Austen

> 8       Who was president of North Vietnam from 1945–1969?

Ho Chi Minh

> 9       What was the name of the doctor wrongly convicted of murder in The  
> Fugitive?

Richard Kimble

> 10      What is iron pyrite better known as?

fool's gold

--
Joshua Kreitzer
gromit82@hotmail.com


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TOPIC: Rare Entries DJT02 ANSWERS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trivia/t/fe0cc400d8a37432?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 18 2011 11:57 pm
From: Dan Tilque


There were 17 entrants from the Usenet newsroups and 4 from the SDMB.
Since 4 is not enough contestants to do a rare entries contest on, I'm
going to just score a single comnbined contest.

The winner was JOHN GERSON. Runners up were DAVE FILPUS and HARAN
PILPEL. Here are their answer slates (with some abbreviation):

John Gerson Dave Filpus Haran Pilpel
0. Titan Venus Jupiter
1. Lincoln, NE Jefferson City MO Jefferson City
2. Sacagawea John Muir John Muir
3. Lake Superior Huron Superior
4. zodiac Jupiter Merkur
5. Six-red snooker Rugby Chess (W)
6. ruby cardinal raspberry
7. Laurier Borden King
8. With The Beatles Rubber Soul Yesterday and Today
9. 4130 steel Magnesium walnut

There were only 7 wrong answers in total in this contest, a surprisingly
low number. I haven't done any statistics (not even counted them), but
my impression is that there were relatively few 1's compared to previous
rare entries contests.

Here's the complete table of scores. Names marked with an * are entrants
from the SDMB. Those are their handles rather than actual names.


Item number--> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

1. 360 John Gerson 4 1 3 5 1 1 1 2 3 1
2. 600 Dave Filpus 1 5 2 5 1 3 2 2 1 1
3. 1800 Haran Pilpel 2 5 2 5 1 W 1 3 1 1
4. 2500 Chronos * 1 5 2 5 5 2 1 5 1 1
5. 2916 Mark Brader 9 9 1 3 1 1 2 1 1 6
6. 4050 panamajack * 9 3 1 5 5 1 1 1 1 6
7. 5040 Gibbs89 * 1 1 1 4 2 2 2 5 3 W
8. 5760 Garmt de Vries 2 3 1 4 5 2 W 2 3 1
9. 7200 Don Pivin 2 2 2 3 2 1 2 5 1 6
10.(t) 8640 Duke 9 5 4 4 1 1 2 3 1 2
10.(t) 8640 Stephen Perry 9 2 5 1 2 2 1 1 4 6
12. 10800 Kevin Stone 9 5 4 1 5 1 1 3 4 1
13. 18000 Bruce Bowler 9 5 5 1 5 2 2 1 4 1
14. 19200 Maus Magill * 2 2 5 1 4 2 2 5 3 4
15. 19440 Rob Parker 4 3 3 5 2 1 2 3 3 3
16. 32400 Calvin 4 5 5 3 3 1 W 3 3 1
17. 38880 Nick Selwyn 9 9 1 5 4 2 2 3 1 2
18. 97200 Lieven Marchand 9 5 4 5 3 3 2 1 3 2
19. 100800 Björn Lundin W 5 5 4 4 2 1 2 3 2
20. 138240 Joseph P 9 2 4 5 4 1 W 1 4 6
21. 324000 Peter Chapman 4 5 3 5 3 1 W 5 3 6


And the scores of the individual items:


0. Name a Solar System body that a spacecraft has landed on or impacted.
Atmospheric probes count as impactors, although flying through the coma
of a comet does not count as an atmospheric probe.

9 Earth
4 Titan
2 25143 Itokawa
2 Jupiter
1 Moon
1 Sun
1 Venus

W Io

Big collision on Earth while Mars, 433 Eros, and Comet 9P/Tempel 1 were
left untouched.

The Sun is a questionable answer. The entrant argued that the solar wind
is composed of particles from the Sun's atmosphere and we've sent
missions to study the solar wind. Ergo, those missions are atmospheric
probes. I wasn't real happy about this, but decided to give it to him
anyway.

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1. Name a current or former capital city which was named for a US President.

9 Washington
+ 2 Washington DC
+ 2 Washington AR
+ 3 Washington MS
5 Jefferson City MO
5 Monrovia, Liberia
1 Lincoln NE
1 Villa Hayes, Paraguay

Two people answered Washington without qualification. That omission cost
them dearly. No doubt they were unaware (as was I before this contest
started) that Washington, Arkansas was the capital of that state during
the Civil War after Little Rock had been captured by Union forces and
that Washington, Mississippi was the capital while it was a territory.

Villa Hayes is named for Rutherford B Hayes. Apparently, he's something
of a hero in Paraguay for ruling in that country's favor in a border
dispute. Most US citizens barely know he existed.

Answers not given were Madison WI, Jackson MS, and another obscure one,
Washington-on-the-Brazos, TX, which was the capital of the Republic of
Texas twice.

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2. Name a real person who was not a US president and whose image has
appeared on a US coin issued for circulation. Models used by coin
designers are excluded from this question; only a person that an image
is meant to represent is a valid answer. Coins intended only for
collectors and/or investment purposes are excluded.

5 Benjamin Franklin
4 Susan B Anthony
3 Sacagawea
2 Kamehameha I (Hawaii state quarter)
2 John Muir (California state quarter)
1 Jean Baptiste Charbonneau ($1 coin)
1 William Clark
1 Duke Ellington (DC territorial quarter)
1 Meriwether Lewis
1 Prince Whipple (New Jersey state quarter)

I assume Lewis and Clark are on the Missouri state quarter, although I
don't know if that's official or not. There's a boat with three figures
in it which represents their expedition, but I don't know if those
figures are actually meant to represent the men themselves.

Jean Baptiste Charbonneau is the papoose that Sacagawea is carrying on
her back. Prince Whipple is one of the men on Washington's boat crossing
the Delaware.

Answers not given are Caesar Rodney (DE quarter), General Edward Hand
(NJ quarter), Wilbur and Orville Wright (NC quarter), and Helen Keller
(AL quarter).

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3. Name a Great Lake.

5 Huron
5 Superior
4 Ontario
3 Great Lake, Tasmania
1 Erie
1 Great Salt Lake
1 Michigan
1 Michigan-Huron

Technically, Lakes Michigan and Huron are a single lake, since there's
just a fairly wide passage between them rather than a river. I decided
to count it as a distinct answer rather than a less specific answer.

It surprised me that no one gave any of the African Great Lakes as an
answer.

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4. Give the make or model of an automobile or light truck which has an
astronomical theme. The vehicle does not have to be currently in production.

5 Subaru (Japanese "Pleides")
4 Galaxy
3 Astra (Latin "star, constellation")
2 Gemini
2 Orion
1 Daewoo (Korean "great universe")
1 Galaxie
1 Jupiter
1 Merkur (German "Mercury")
1 Zodiac

Everyone, please note the conjunction between "make" and "model" above.
Despite it being "or", most people gave both a make and a model. I was
looking for just one or the other. Obviously I didn't make this clear
enough, so I'll take the blame for it.

Since many of the makes (and some of the models) given were not valid
answers, I decided to take the first name that had an astronomical theme
in each entrant's answer as their answer. Since everyone had at least
one (and a few people had two), no one got a wrong answer, although some
may have gotten a higher score than they'd anticipated.

Several people gave the Ford Galaxy, which I'm going to guess was
usually meant to be the large sedan from the 60s. That car was actually
spelled Galaxie. It turns out that Ford is also making a minivan under
the spelling of Galaxy. So these answers are distinct rather than Galaxy
being treated as a misspelling. All parties benefitted, although the guy
who answered Galaxie got the most benefit (Mark's spelling
anal-retentiveness finally pays dividends.)

There's a number of answers no one gave: Saturn, Mercury, Comet, and
Astro are a few.

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5. Name an organized sport that has more than one mode of scoring. A
mode of scoring is determined by the number of points (see definition
4.5) scored. All actions that score the same number of points count as a
single mode. Administratively assigned points (e.g. for forfeits or
penalties) do not count as a mode of scoring. Tennis is excluded from
this question; it has only one mode of scoring, but has a funny way of
counting to four. Target sports are excluded from this item.

3 rugby
+ 1 rugby league
2 bowling
2 cricket
2 hurling
2 judo
1 arena football
1 Australian Rules Football
1 (English) billiards
1 Canadian football
1 Gaelic football
1 gliding
1 Kabaddi
1 (muggle) Quidditch
1 six-red snooker

W chess

Chess is not a sport (it's a board game), but even if it were, it does
not have more than one mode of scoring. The numbers usually assigned for
taken pieces (e.g. 1 for a pawn, 3 for a knight, etc.) are just an
informal way of keeping track of who's ahead and have no official
status. In fact, they're actually rarely used even informally, as far as
I can tell.

Some day American contestants are going to learn that rugby is not a
single sport and thus do better on these contests. Don't hold your breath.

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6. Give a word (definition 4.1) which has the meaning of some shade of
red. Note that pink, orange, and purple are separate colors and not
considered to be a shade of red.

2 cardinal
2 carmine
2 carnelian
2 puce
2 scarlet
1 coquelicot
1 flame
1 incarnadine
1 maroon
1 raspberry
1 ruby
1 vermilion

W rufous (adjective)
W ruddy (adjective)
W blood
W falu red (two words)

Rufous and ruddy are adjectives meaning "reddish". I was looking for a
noun. For a few of the answers, I had to look in a large number of
dictionaries to find one that defined it as a shade of red. "Flame" and
"carnelian" were notable here. I checked over a dozen dictionaries, both
on-line and off, and couldn't find any that defined "blood" as a shade
of red.

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7. Name a prime minister of Canada who served at least 2 years in that
office.

5 Sir John Thompson
3 Richard Bedford Bennett
3 William Lyon Mackenzie King
2 Sir Robert Borden
2 Sir Wilfrid Laurier
1 Jean Chrétien
1 Stephen Harper
1 Sir John A. Macdonald
1 Alexander Mackenzie
1 Brian Mulroney
1 Louis St. Laurent

One entrant gave a conditional response based on two possible
interpretations of the item. That sort of thing is not allowed. I'll
always take the first answer given, as it says in the rules. The entrant
who did this is from the SDMB, so it's understandable that he was
unaware of this.

It turns out neither of the two interpretations he gave was completely
correct. "Serving two years in office" means a total of 730 days no
matter how many terms those days are spread across. Fortunately for the
entrant, the first answer he gave was a valid one.

I do wonder if there are any valid answers from before 1867. I'm not
that familiar with the colonial government from that era, but perhaps a
Canadian on the list might be.

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8. Name an album released by the Beatles.

4 The Beatles [The White Album; Los Beatles]
3 Beatles for Sale
3 Revolver
3 With the Beatles
1 Beatles 65
1 The Beatles' Christmas Album
1 The Beatles' Long Tall Sally (Canadian release)
1 The Beatles' Second Album
1 Magical Mystery Tour
1 Rubber Soul
1 Something New
1 Yesterday and Today

I couldn't find anything on the internet about "Los Beatles", so I
assumed it was just the Spanish release of the White Album. Long Tall
Sally was an extended play (EP) record in most countries, but was the
name of an album released only in Canada.

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9. Name material that bicycle frames are made of.

6 bamboo
4 wood
+ 1 plywood
+ 1 walnut
+ 1 Bubinga wood
3 steel
+ 1 4136 ChroMoly
+ 1 SAE grade 4130 steel
2 carbon fiber
2 titanium
1 6061 aluminium alloy
1 magnesium
1 plastic

W molybdenum

I was unhappy about the scoring of a few answers here. But I'd be
unhappy no matter how I scored them.

Molybdenum was scored wrong, as no frames are made just of that metal.
No doubt the entrant was thinking of chromium-molybdenum-steel alloy,
usually known as chromoly. 4136 Chromoly and SAE grade 4130 steel are
two very specific forms of this alloy. This scoring seemed to be
unquestionable on its face.

But then you get to the wood bicycles. The only bike frames I could find
made of walnut or Bubinga wood are from Renovo Hardwood Bicycles. And in
both cases, the frames are made of two different woods laminated
together. So, unlike all the other materials in the above list, for
these two types of wood, the frames are not made completely from the
material.

One way of looking at it is that the only difference between molybdenum
and these two types of wood is that you can point to a section of the
wooden frames and say "here's this type of wood", whereas you can't do
the same with a chromoly frame and molydbenum. So it doesn't seem quite
right to score one wrong and the other two right.

The alternatives seem to be to score the three as either all right or
all wrong. Neither of these seem to be a perfect answer. So I'd like any
thoughts anyone has on this dilemma.


Thank you for playing everone.

--
Dan Tilque


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